Salvation is an Experience

[Ligurian]

It might help if you knew what the mark of the beast is.

It is deceiving them that dwell on the earth, and the deceived heart turned them aside, to not be able to deliver their souls, to not know there is a lie in their right hand.

That is the mark they receive in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

Then we already know clearly what the name in the foreheads of the servants of Christ have, it is truth. ( and no lie)

That name is in all the servants of God and of the Lamb. ( seeing His face through Christ only, which no man can see nor will ever see Exodus 33:20.)




Isaiah 44:20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Render unto Caesar (the money) what belongs to Caesar... seems to be a clue. The beast is standing on the wing of Jerusalem, and it's probably his face on the coin... or some icon of his name. The second beast is the mouth of the beast, from Daniel.

 

[servant7777]

Revelation is a repeat of the whole testimony of the entire scriptures.

It is simple when you know that, and others try to understand it their whole life without knowing anything that way.

 

[servant7777]

Render unto Caesar (the money) what belongs to Caesar... seems to be a clue. The beast is standing on the wing of Jerusalem, and it's probably his face on the coin... or some icon of his name. The second beast is the mouth of the beast, from Daniel.

The beast deceives the whole world, and many false prophets were said to do that, I guess you hear the word beast and get an image like an abominable snowman, but it is the spirit of error.



Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Ligurian]

The seven churches are as near to where Christianity would be as possible, ( over towards Greece) while still remaining in the land that will become against Christ. ( Turkey)


It is told that is where satans seat is ( Pergamos) and no wonder they need the rebuke, reproof, and beseeching. ( where send would God send His message)

But this message really is to all the world, who do just as bad as commandment from that land ( and religion) even though they say they follow Christ.



Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

At the time when Revelation was written, Rome had a province called Asia... Pergamos was the seat of that province at that point in time... but part of the time, the seat was in Ephesus.

 

[servant7777]

Revelations is not given for people to be fixated on it, if a person does not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom, they can understand nothing at all..


2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[servant7777]

At the time when Revelation was written, Rome had a province called Asia... Pergamos was the seat of that province at that point in time... but part of the time, the seat was in Ephesus.

Still irrelevant as Rome ended a long time ago.

But the Ottoman empire continued, and today islam has its antichrist teaching in all the world.

Also by the times of the Gentiles, the Ottoman empire had Israel for hundreds of years and lost it when the times of the Gentiles was fulfilled..1917.

 

[servant7777]

You dont seem to agree on much, and when we dont agree, we cant walk together..


Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

 

[Ligurian]

There has to be a separation of Israel from the rest of the world, because God had His people as Israel and not the rest of the world, then He sent salvation to the rest of the world too.

But that Israel is not excluded, we are grafted into Israel, and although have a new name ( Christians) are of Israel too with the name blessed by God of Israel.



Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Those Isaiah 65:15 people? they are the House of Judah in Jerusalem... The House of Israel of Solomon's divided kingdom didn't have a temple, the House of Judah did.(see Isaiah 65+66, below)

Not ALL of us ARE grafted-in, by Pauline theology. Ιησους' other sheep already hear His voice and already believe on Him through the words of the 11 Disciples.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;

John 15:26-27 when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me:[27] And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with Me from the beginning.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice: and there shall be one fold, one shepherd.

Isaiah 65:1-10 I became manifest to them that asked not for Me; I was found of them that sought Me not: I said, Behold, I am here, to a nation, who called not on My name.
[2] I have stretched forth My hands all day to a disobedient and gainsaying people, to them that walked in a way that was not good, but after their sins.[3] This is the people that provokes Me continually in My presence; they offer sacrifices in gardens, and burn incense on bricks to devils, which exist not.[4] They lie down to sleep in the tombs and in the caves for the sake of dreams, even they that eat swine’s flesh, and the broth of their sacrifices: all their vessels are defiled:[5] who say, Depart from me, draw not nigh to me, for I am pure. This is the smoke of my wrath, a fire burns with it continually.[6] Behold, it is written before Me: I will not be silent until I have recompensed into their bosom,[7] their sins and the sins of their fathers, saith the Lord, who have burnt incense on the mountains, and reproached Me on the hills: I will recompense their works into their bosom.
[8] Thus saith the Lord, As a grape-stone shall be found in the cluster, and they shall say, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for the sake of him that serves me, for his sake I will not destroy them all.[9] And I will lead forth the seed that came of Jacob and of Juda, and they shall inherit my holy mountain: and mine elect and my servants shall inherit it, and shall dwell there. [10] And there shall be in the forest folds of flocks, and the valley of Achor shall be for a resting-place of herds for My people, who have sought Me.LXX

Isaiah 66:1-3 Thus saith the Lord, Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool: what kind of a house will ye build Me? and of what kind is to be the place of My rest?[2] For all these things are Mine, saith the Lord: and to whom will I have respect, but to the humble and meek, and the man that trembles at My words?[3] But the transgressor that sacrifices a calf to Me, is as he that kills a dog; and he that offers fine flour, as one that offers swine’s blood; he that gives frankincense for a memorial, is as a blasphemer. Yet they have chosen their own ways, and their soul has delighted in their abominations.LXX

The divided kingdom of Solomon is still divided, and will be until the day of Jezreel.

 

[servant7777]

there is no division as you keep inventing.

They were gathered into one kingdom, in preparation for all abroad being gathered together in one by the death and rising of Christ.

No need to deny everything, it is done, it cant be undone.

All is about the Gentiles now, nothing is a bout Israel any more.


Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Acts 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.


Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

John 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Romans 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[servant7777]

Now there is just the name Christian, the royal priesthood of Christ.


Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

 

[fhansen]

Revelation 2's Ephesus was about to become the first in-name-only church because she lost her first love (of the brethren)... Revelation 3's Philadelphia (brotherly-love) is given an open door into Heaven if she keeps what she has.

Yes, not perfection, but love in any case. That's a Christian's path.

 

[servant7777]

There is no imperfect love, speaking always against scripture, are rebuked for being an antichrist deceiver..

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

 

[Ligurian]

Revelation 2's Ephesus was about to become the first in-name-only church because she lost her first love (of the brethren)... Revelation 3's Philadelphia (brotherly-love) is given an open door into Heaven if she keeps what she has.

The first love is comparable to the first husband Israel had, which was the Lord.

They left their first husband, went after their lovers ( Syrians, Egyptians) until they found they were better with the Lord.


Hosea 2:7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

Revelation 2: 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Well, that's not what the Revelation is even talking about... Ephesus had found the false apostles in their midst and proven them false... so they stopped trusting/loving those who called themselves brothers. The Nicholaitans was led by one of the people in the Acts of the Apostles 6 called Nicholas... from Antioch.

Since the Disciple Simon Peter had already left to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom to the nations where the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel were found in 1 Peter 1:1... then this is a different Simeon/Simon/Peter Cephas who ordained Nicholas.

We CAN know this because of Paul saying he met apostle James the Lord's brother in Jerusalem... who was never made an apostle by the Messiah. In fact, brother James had a brother named Simon, and a brother named Joses, which was Barnabas' first name. John Mark is another fellow-traveller with Paul's crowd. The mix-up of names is something like the Who's On First comedy routine.

Luke wasn't there... so where did he get the idea of time of the gentiles from? If 7 letters did physically go to the 7 churches in Asia... is that where Luke found out about the 42 months of the gentiles?

By revelation of Jesus Christ for Luke..

Acts of the Apostles 1:1-3 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,[2] Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;[3] It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

Eyewitnesses could have been any of the multitude to whom Ιησους spoke parables. Wasn't Theophilus a high priest?

I don't read the letters written to the gentiles, because they're not written to me.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If this was said anywhere else, it would be called a circular argument.

 

[fhansen]

There is no imperfect love, speaking always against scripture, are rebuked for being an antichrist deceiver..

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

If love can and must be perfected, then apparently you've been deceived. You understand that you're talking about a very tall order: to love God with your WHOLE heart, soul, mind, and strength and your neighbor as yourself. This can't be faked, but we can fool ourselves about it. It's not about Christ's righteousness only, but about the righteousness He's wrought within you-and that, dear one, is a process, like it or not, know or not, admit it or not.

 

[Ligurian]

Revelation 2's Ephesus was about to become the first in-name-only church because she lost her first love (of the brethren)... Revelation 3's Philadelphia (brotherly-love) is given an open door into Heaven if she keeps what she has.

Yes, not perfection, but love in any case. That's a Christian's path.

Revelation 3:1-3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.[2] Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.[3] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.

What was the cause of this imperfection? Forgetting in what manner they had received and heard. Received what?

 

[fhansen]

Revelation 3:1-3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.[2] Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.[3] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.

What was the cause of this imperfection? Forgetting in what manner they had received and heard. Received what?

The gospel. In any case if you think that absolute perfection is possible in this life you've failed to understand the gospel-and yourself. Maybe you don't get out much, IDK.

 

[servant7777]

Peter took part whether you disagree or not, we know so because of Peter dong the same action when alive, as he did in the Revelations, of stopping John bowing down to him.

Revelations is not the past, Revelations is for the ending time, which is now.

As proven, Revelations is a repeat of what is testified about in the whole of the scriptures already, and here we see about those many false deceivers again..




2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

 

[servant7777]

I know hansen wants this spin going on ( and designed it with multiple id's, who knows how many names one can come under)

I remember his argument against me was about the Revelation churches not reaching perfection, now seems like he wants to create strife for entertainment.

 

[servant7777]

Apostle Paul is the example of doing all well, and receiving the crown of life.

Now two id's ( or one bad spirit) are discussing something they cant understand ( Revelations) for whether or not someone did perfectly.

 

[servant7777]

Here this is for you:

Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

 

[servant7777]

Revelation ( as I show every single time to you) is a repeat of everything we were warned about, it is a reminder...


2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: