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Not after the mystery of God is finished, which is stated in Revelation 10:7, and defined in Revelation 11:15.



Revelation 10's account, is told first in Daniel 12. That mentions the three and a half times, half of the week the Messiah came to confirm the covenant with many, (Daniel 9:27) and in the middle of the week ( after the three and a half times/ half of the seven times, Spiritually three and a half days, Messiah is cut off, ( after three and a half years of the Messiah preaching, then the Messiah was dead for three days and three nights in the heart of the earth Matthew 12:40)

The words were sealed till this time of the end, they are no longer sealed.

The book was opened in the hand of the angel, (no longer sealed because Christ was worthy)

No man on earth or Heaven was worthy to open the sealed book, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, prevailed to open the book, and to loosen the seven seals on it.

Christ laying His life down for us unsealed the book ( of life) and then when opened all is to be testified to the world ( then the end shall come)


Revelation 10:5 And the angel which I saw STAND UPON THE SEA and upon the earth LIFTED UP HIS HAND TO HEAVEN,
6 And SWARE BY HIM THAT LIVETH FOR EVER and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, WHICH WAS UPON THE WATERS of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he HELD UP HIS RIGHT HAND AND HIS LEFT HAND UNTO HEAVEN, and SWARE BY HIM THAT LIVETH FOR EVER that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



The eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward Him.

The four Spirits of the Heavens go forth from standing before the Lord.

The Son of God has the seven Spirits of God.

The Lamb slain for us, is in the middle of the throne of God and of the Lamb, He has seven eyes, the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth( the eyes of the Lord run through the whole earth to show Himself strong for the heart of those who are perfect towards Him)

Revelation 3 continues, of the one message for all the churches, of the overcoming ( of this world) to not have our name blotted out of that (unsealed) book of life. This is to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

1 John 2 reveals these two testimonies, how they have known him that is from the beginning, the fathers, and the young men, because they have overcome the wicked one.

Young men, because they are strong, and the word of God abides in them, and they have overcome the wicked one. ( Those as), little children, have known the Father.

The spirit of antichrist is in the world, to be overcome.

When they are of God, the little children, they have overcome them: because greater is he that is in them, than he ( the antichrists) that are in the world.





2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.

Zechariah 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

1 John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.




The Messiah confirmed all of this for one week ( then it was finished John 19:30) Three years and a half preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom and three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hosea 6 confirms this, God healing us, by rising us up after three days to live in His sight. After three days the Messiah rose again.

But we need this verified, on top of before chosen witnesses before God, of the Lords Holy Apostles who ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead, when He drank it new with them in His Fathers Kingdom. ( the Kingdom of Heaven is within us then)




Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Acts 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.




Here is the purpose and importance of the witnesses then.

Again writing to the churches, it is a clear revealed message, ( I understand ) how Christ, the Lamb of God is the faithful witness.

That is why it was written in the law to Israel, of the testimony of two men to be true. The Son is one witness, and the Father bears witness. The Son was never alone, but always was Him and the Father who sent Him.

Jesus shows how in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Also many false witnesses came against Christ, including two at the last.

Apostle Paul continues for us, how in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word is established. ( against the two false witnesses words)





Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Matthew 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.



Now Zechariah can answer for us what the two olive branches are, who empty the golden oil out of themselves.

These are the two anointed ones, standing before the Lord.

God anointed Jesus of Nazareth ( the Lamb Son of God) with the Holy Ghost, before the Apostles who were witnesses of all things He did and of Him being risen up by God the third day ( as the Father was always with Him and He was always with the Father.) Jesus shed His blood for us. ( the golden oil given by the anointed ones.) The Son was always two witnesses, as He was not alone, but He and the Father that sent Him.







Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



Daniel had told us about the three and a half times. ( that is three and a half years or the forty two months now told here in Revelation 11:2.)

That 42 months is half of the week the Messiah confirms with many. ( then in the middle of the week, He is cut off for us/ for our sins to be forgiven by God) The two witnesses prophecy in the other half of the week ( half of the week this time shown as 1260 days, which is also 1260 years, as the Lord gives a day for a year. Ezekiel 4:6)

The two witnesses are the two olive trees ( the two olive branches emptying the golden oil out of themselves) standing before the God of the earth.

The two witnesses die in Jerusalem, and the people see their dead bodies three days and a half ( three days and three nights/ in the middle of he week the Messiah confirms with many)

But after three days the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet. ( After three days God will revive us and we shall live in His sight. Hosea 6:1-2.)

This is the Kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ. ( because we also are all one perfectly with Him. John 17:23.)

Also the outcome of those years given in Daniel and Revelation, was to take the time God changes times and seasons as in Daniel 2:21, 657 BC, ( the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzer.) and add what those seven times were, 2 x 1260 years, 2 x three and a half times, 2520 years and it is 1917, when the people of Israel had a little reviving to have Israel freed up again during world war one. ( returned in 1947 which was after 1290 days from the middle of that week. Daniel 12:11)




Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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Further words for our belief that the two anointed ones empty out the golden oil out of themselves, is to see how God had anointed the Messiah ( our High Priest) with that oil of gladness ABOVE HIS FELLOWS.



Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 
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The Anointed one empties out the same oil of gladness HE WAS ANOINTED WITH, to us. ( by dying to give His blood to us, which is Spirit.)



John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
 
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Perfect love in us is having the perfect Lord Jesus Christ ( God is love) in us.


1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Perfect love is perfect love, the love He desires to work in us, and that only He can accomplish in us. It's His love, and yet it's our love, our daily choice to accept and act upon and grow in His gift of love, of Himself. Our eyesight comes from Him just as everything we have comes from Him, and yet it's our eyesight. Unlike vision, however, human morality, love, is a choice-and that choice defines our justice or righteousness. This is not a pretend or merely declared righteousness, as if God only sees a believer as righteous whether we are or not in actuality. We limit God if we believe that. It's the very righteousness that man was made for; God created no one to sin, in the slightest manner. And He's patient in His work of overcoming sin in us now, the sin that took root and flourished as man first became alienated from Him in Eden.

"Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning." 1 John 3:7-8
 
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The world knows that the Son of God loves the Father, by doing the commandments as given.


If we keep the commandments ( some say they cant achieve perfect love that is the love of God, so they cant keep Gods word to love one another perfectly)


But if we do believe we can keep the commandments of Christ( to abide in His love as He abode in the Fathers love, which is the commandment of the Father) then we love one another as Christ loved us.

We love one another, for love is of God, and everyone that loves, is born of God.

Anyone who does not love, does not know God, who IS LOVE. God manifested His love towards us, to send His only begotten Son into the world so we can live.

Now we know and BELIEVE, the love that God had for us ( sending His only Son to die for us in love) and we know God is love and we know when we dwell in love we dwell in God and God dwells in us then.

That belief and knowledge of Gods love, is our love made perfect ( perfect belief in love) and those who don't believe, will not have boldness in the day of judgment ( for accepting deceit and failure as their doctrine/teacher deceiver strife makers)

Keep ourselves in the ( perfect/perfected) love of God, to look for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.




John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
 
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Hansen, you talk our own words and no scripture at all with what your own invented words say.

If you cant agree to the words of God showing His love perfected in us, then you have zero to say to me. ( and you have nothing to say)

If the forum wont see you do strife on purpose, they support deceit too, by allowing your games.
 
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Agreed. Perfect is the goal, in the here and now. Not after the mystery of God is finished, which is stated in Revelation 10:7, and defined in Revelation 11:15.

The rest of this is just said near you, not to you... I'm thinking you may already know it.

Perfection

Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in Heaven: for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.

Matthew 19:21 Ιησους said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in Heaven, and come and follow Me.

Revelation 3:1-3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write: These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God * and the seven stars. I know thy works: that thou hast a name that thou livest and art dead.[2] Be watchful and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.[3] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast and repent.

So, Perfect is the goal to reach before the door is closed. The church of the open door is Philadelphia, the church of brotherly love. The first church Ephesus, lost most of this love by rooting out what was false among them; and therefore, becoming too distrustful to really love those who said they were brethren? Smyrna was tested... some passed, some didn't. Because the same doctrines found in Ephesus were found again in Pergamos and Thyatira; so that, by the time Sardis came around, the church had even forgotten in what manner she had received and heard. The last church Philadelphia, has figured this out, and has before her the open door of the key of David. Because it's not only Keeping the Commandments from Ιησους that's required in this Gospel of the Kingdom... it's keeping the words themselves, and learning from the Holy Spirit what these words mean. The connections are made through the verses themselves, and this is how the meaning is derived... because that's how the Sermon on the Mount was taught to His Disciples. And Laodicea is rich and become rich... it's harder to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter the Kingdom... So Laodicea will have to pass through the fires of Great Tribulation, to become the multitude standing on the glass sea... "buy of Me gold tried in the fire".

The Key of the House of David

Revelation 3:7-13 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth:[8] I know thy works. Behold, I have set before thee an open door and no man can shut it, for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word and hast not denied My name (authority and nature).

Isaiah 22:20-24 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call My servant (son of Rising) Eliakim* the son of Chelcias:[21] and I will put on him thy robe, and I will grant him thy crown with power, and I will give thy stewardship into his hands: and he shall be as a father to them that dwell in Jerusalem, and to them that dwell in Juda.[22] And I will give Him the glory of David; and He shall rule, and there shall be none to speak against Him: and I will give Him the key of the house of David upon His shoulder; and He shall open and there shall be none to shut, and He shall shut and there shall be none to open.[23] And I will make Him a ruler in a sure place and He shall be for a glorious throne of His Father’s house.[24] And every one that is glorious in the house of His Father shall trust in Him, from the least to the greatest, and they shall depend upon Him in that day.LXX

Zechariah 3:8-10 If thou wilt walk in My ways and take heed to My charges, then shalt thou judge My house; and if thou wilt diligently keep My court, then will I give thee men to walk in the midst of these that stand here.[9] Hear now, Joshua the high priest, thou and thy neighbours that are sitting before thee: for they are diviners, for behold, I bring forth My servant (ανατολήν) Rising.*[10] For, as for the stone which I have set before the face of Joshua, on the one stone are seven eyes *: behold, I am digging a trench, saith the Lord Almighty, and I will search out all the iniquity of that land in one day.LXX

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* Anatolia = East or Rising, place of the rising sun: what the Greeks called the Asia Minor of Revelation's letters.
* The 7 eyes are the 7 spirits of God which the Risen Lord is holding, at Sardis.

Revelation 10's account, is told first in Daniel 12. That mentions the three and a half times, half of the week the Messiah came to confirm the covenant with many, (Daniel 9:27) and in the middle of the week ( after the three and a half times/ half of the seven times, Spiritually three and a half days, Messiah is cut off, ( after three and a half years of the Messiah preaching, then the Messiah was dead for three days and three nights in the heart of the earth Matthew 12:40)

I read the Septuagint, which is what Messiah quoted. I think the confirmed covenant is this one:

Isaiah 28:14-18 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, ye afflicted men, and ye princes of this people that is in Jerusalem.[15] Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with Hades and agreements with death: if the rushing storm should pass it shall not come upon us; we have made falsehood our hope and by falsehood shall we be protected.[16] Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on Him shall by no means be ashamed.[17] And I will cause judgment to be for hope, and My compassion shall be for just measures, and ye that trust vainly in falsehood shall fall: for the storm shall by no means pass by you,[18] except it also take away your covenant of death, and your trust in Hades shall by no means stand: if the rushing storm should come upon you, ye shall be beaten down by it.LXX

Daniel 9:26-27 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in Him: and He shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed He shall appoint the city to desolations.[27] And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.LXX

Matthew 22:6-7 And the remnant took His servants and entreated them spitefully and slew them.[7] But when the King heard thereof He was wroth: and He sent forth His armies and destroyed those murderers and burned up their city.

Revelation 11:3-7 And I will give unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. ...[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. ...[12] And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to Heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

The Revelation 11:1-2 "measure the temple" (John is the young man) equals the Zechariah 2:3-5 "measure Jerusalem" verse... making Jerusalem itself the temple of God... so a wing of the temple is of/near Jerusalem. This is the court of the gentiles.

The Messiah confirmed all of this for one week ( then it was finished John 19:30) Three years and a half preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom and three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hosea 6 confirms this, God healing us, by rising us up after three days to live in His sight. After three days the Messiah rose again.

But we need this verified, on top of before chosen witnesses before God, of the Lords Holy Apostles who ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead, when He drank it new with them in His Fathers Kingdom. ( the Kingdom of Heaven is within us then)

Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

The Kingdom of Heaven is "within" this Gospel's believers now... it's an invisible Kingdom, so to speak. When Thy Kingdom come, then the Kingdom of David will be on the Earth as a physical Kingdom.

I believe that the two witnesses are the two houses (House of Israel, House of Judah) of Solomon's divided kingdom... reunited when they are sealed as the 144k in Revelation 7:3-8, and standing with the name (Revelation 3:12) on their foreheads in Revelation 14:1-5. These are the overcomers of the churches in Asia...

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But why Asia? is my question... and why in that section of Asia? when 1 Peter 1 has the Diaspora practically covering Asia. ... Because in that same "7-churches place" were the Aeolic/Ionic Pelasgians who'd escaped the flood of "Greeks" coming south to conquest Pelasgian lands... which both Ridgeway (Early Age of Greece) and A.R. Burns (Minoans, Philistines and Greeks) call "Celtics"... and ended Ilios. ...(I don't really believe in coincidence.)
My other question is... Why do the translators insist on calling the Greek word Ethnos the Roman word Gentiles? Ethnology means race, and that's all it means... but the commentators seem to be trying to make the name mean non-Israelite... even though the exact same word is used specifically for Israelites. And why does even the Greek LXX call Γαλιλαία ἀλλοφύλων, not Galilee [of the] Philistines--which is what it plainly says--but Galilee [of the] Gentiles in Joel 3:4?
 
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That belief and knowledge of Gods love, is our love made perfect ( perfect belief in love)
Perfect belief in love??? Either we love, perfectly or imperfectly, or we don't. Either we're righteous or we are not. Faith is one thing, love is another.
 
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Hansen, you talk our own words and no scripture at all with what your own invented words say.

If you cant agree to the words of God showing His love perfected in us, then you have zero to say to me. ( and you have nothing to say)

If the forum wont see you do strife on purpose, they support deceit too, by allowing your games.
I know the gospel, you quote Scripture without understanding. I'm not even sure you really believe your own line-that you, individually and personally, love perfectly.
 
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The Revelation 11:1-2 "measure the temple" (John is the young man) equals the Zechariah 2:3-5 "measure Jerusalem" verse... making Jerusalem itself the temple of God... so a wing of the temple is of/near Jerusalem. This is the court of the gentiles.


That is not what is said here.

The court of the Gentiles ( times of the Gentiles Luke 21:24) is a time to be fulfilled. That time is given to be fulfilled, after 42 months.

Whereas the 2 witnesses are the other measurement of the temple. That is why they have the equivalent time of 1260 days and itself shows the measurement right here. ( no need to go elsewhere in scripture, without seeing here first, in Revelation 11 for that measurement and meaning.)




Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
 
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The Kingdom of Heaven is "within" this Gospel's believers now... it's an invisible Kingdom, so to speak. When Thy Kingdom come, then the Kingdom of David will be on the Earth as a physical Kingdom.


God is Spirit, and His Kingdom has come, otherwise it would not be within us.



1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 
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reunited when they are sealed as the 144k in Revelation 7:3-8, and standing with the name (Revelation 3:12) on their foreheads in Revelation 14:1-5. These are the overcomers of the churches in Asia...


It might help if you knew what the mark of the beast is.

It is deceiving them that dwell on the earth, and the deceived heart turned them aside, to not be able to deliver their souls, to not know there is a lie in their right hand.

That is the mark they receive in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

Then we already know clearly what the name in the foreheads of the servants of Christ have, it is truth. ( and no lie)

That name is in all the servants of God and of the Lamb. ( seeing His face through Christ only, which no man can see nor will ever see Exodus 33:20.)




Isaiah 44:20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
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But why Asia? is my question... and why in that section of Asia? when 1 Peter 1 has the Diaspora practically covering Asia. ... Because in that same "7-churches place" were the Aeolic/Ionic Pelasgians who'd escaped the flood of "Greeks" coming south to conquest Pelasgian lands... which both Ridgeway (Early Age of Greece) and A.R. Burns (Minoans, Philistines and Greeks) call "Celtics"... and ended Ilios. ...(I don't really believe in coincidence.)


The seven churches are as near to where Christianity would be as possible, ( over towards Greece) while still remaining in the land that will become against Christ. ( Turkey)


It is told that is where satans seat is ( Pergamos) and no wonder they need the rebuke, reproof, and beseeching. ( where send would God send His message)

But this message really is to all the world, who do just as bad as commandment from that land ( and religion) even though they say they follow Christ.



Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
 
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My other question is... Why do the translators insist on calling the Greek word Ethnos the Roman word Gentiles? Ethnology means race, and that's all it means... but the commentators seem to be trying to make the name mean non-Israelite... even though the exact same word is used specifically for Israelites. And why does even the Greek LXX call Γαλιλαία ἀλλοφύλων, not Galilee [of the] Philistines--which is what it plainly says--but Galilee [of the] Gentiles in Joel 3:4?



There has to be a separation of Israel from the rest of the world, because God had His people as Israel and not the rest of the world, then He sent salvation to the rest of the world too.

But that Israel is not excluded, we are grafted into Israel, and although have a new name ( Christians) are of Israel too with the name blessed by God of Israel.



Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
 
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Perfect belief in love??? Either we love, perfectly or imperfectly, or we don't. Either we're righteous or we are not. Faith is one thing, love is another.

Revelation 2's Ephesus was about to become the first in-name-only church because she lost her first love (of the brethren)... Revelation 3's Philadelphia (brotherly-love) is given an open door into Heaven if she keeps what she has.
 
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That is not what is said here.

The court of the Gentiles ( times of the Gentiles Luke 21:24) is a time to be fulfilled. That time is given to be fulfilled, after 42 months.

Whereas the 2 witnesses are the other measurement of the temple. That is why they have the equivalent time of 1260 days and itself shows the measurement right here. ( no need to go elsewhere in scripture, without seeing here first, in Revelation 11 for that measurement and meaning.)

Luke wasn't there... so where did he get the idea of time of the gentiles from? If 7 letters did physically go to the 7 churches in Asia... is that where Luke found out about the 42 months of the gentiles?
 
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God is Spirit, and His Kingdom has come, otherwise it would not be within us.



1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I don't read the letters written to the gentiles, because they're not written to me.
 
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The first love is comparable to the first husband Israel had, which was the Lord.

They left their first husband, went after their lovers ( Syrians, Egyptians) until they found they were better with the Lord.



Hosea 2:7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

Revelation 2: 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
 
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Luke wasn't there... so where did he get the idea of time of the gentiles from? If 7 letters did physically go to the 7 churches in Asia... is that where Luke found out about the 42 months of the gentiles?


By revelation of Jesus Christ for Luke..

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.




Just as Peter was to be involved as the angel in Revelations


1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:


Acts 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.


Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
 
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I don't read the letters written to the gentiles, because they're not written to me.


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
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