Salvation for Non Christian

[littlestar777]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fire Fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

 

[BobRyan]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

Obviously I don't know the salvation condition of each person you list... but we do know this:

Rom 2:13-16 describes the case of non-Christians with no access to the Bible -- where in some cases they are born again saints that do go to heaven because of the blood of Christ that they do not know about.

Rom 2:13-16
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus.

Rom 2:
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

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This world entered into rebellion against God via the sin of Adam and Eve a Romans 5 reminds us.

But God provided the one-and-only way of escape via the incarnation of God the Son - as the Son of Man - Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:2 "He is the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins and not for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD"

John 3:6 - That WHO SOEVER BELIEVES on Him might not perish but should have everlasting life.

You too can choose to accept Christ as your savior - just as they can.

And in some cases where someone has no access at all to scripture or the pure Gospel message - they are still not hopeless. John 16 says the Holy Spirit "Convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and Judgment", and John 12:32 says through His Spirit Jesus "Draws ALL mankind unto Him" .

All are drawn even though all do not have the written text or even access to the correct Gospel history.

But there is no safety in rebellion - in choosing against God deliberately.

Take a CLOSE LOOK - at this thread - I explain this answer in detail.

If I am wrong about my beliefs - there is NO RISK for me

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

When someone is born again by the Holy Spirit, their inner being is transformed, and their spirit which was previously dead, is made alive.

This spiritual transformation allows us to be converted over to the new world that is currently being created for us.

Those who have not undergone the spiritual transformation end up only having "corrupted data" that does not translate over into this new world where God is all and in all.

 

[trophy33]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

Because you used examples of people from our civilized society and therefore we can suppose they all heard, but were not interested in Christianity, I see these possibilities:

a) either they are given the chance to accept again, in the hour of their death (similarly to NED's)
b) or they simply cease to exist, their spirit goes back to God, body back to the earth and their soul (conscious personality) disappears

I do not believe in eternal literal torment.

Whatever it is, we can trust God that, its the best possible option.

 

[Der Alte]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.​

 

[aiki]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

Good compared to who? Not God. Compared to God, these people are bad, not good.

God doesn't use our standard of comparison. He uses His own. And that standard is Himself, His own holy perfection. He measures our "goodness" against His perfect goodness; and against His standard, none of us is good enough.

We look at each other and say, "Well, I'm not nearly as bad as the worst person I can think of. Compared to Hitler, or Stalin, or Jeffrey Dahmer (a cannibal serial killer), I'm a pretty good person." But God isn't comparing us to the worst people we can point at; He's comparing us to the only perfect righteousness in existence: His own.

No one can meet God's standard of holy perfection on their own. No amount of charitable deeds is sufficient to earn God's acceptance. Always mixed in with our good deeds is sin, and like a glass of water into which you drop a bit of poison, that sin poisons all the good stuff we do. What would you call a glass of water into which you knew a single drop of lethal poison had been introduced? Safe? Pure? No. Toxic and dangerous.

Anyway, heaven is God's home and so He gets to decide on what basis people may enter it. And He says to us all, "You must be perfect as I am perfect if you want to enter my eternal home." No teacher, or firefighter, or police officer, or volunteer, is perfect. And so, God says to them, "Until you are perfect, you can't come into my kingdom."

God, though, hasn't left us without a way to be perfect. But that perfection we must get from another: Jesus Christ. Only when we are clothed in his perfect righteousness are we acceptable to God. And only when we are acceptable to God do we get into His heavenly home.

You see, then, I hope, that none of those people you've pointed to in your OP will get into God's home on the basis of their own good deeds. They need holy perfection to get in and the only source of it available to them is Jesus Christ.

John 14:6
6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 3:16-18
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

1 John 5:10-12
10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

So, where are all the "good people" who haven't trusted in Christ going after they die? Into the eternal torment of permanent separation from God. They are all of them under God's holy, wrathful judgment, rebellious toward Him in their sin and rejection of their Savior, Jesus Christ, and deserving of the punishment of hell.

John 3:36
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Romans 2:4-11
4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.

Matthew 25:41, 46
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Punishment is only punishment if it is consciously endured. You can't punish a rock or a broom handle, can you? You can't punish something that doesn't exist. And so, the idea of God's eternal punishment of the unrepentant wicked being non-existence defies the very idea of punishment that is eternal. The moment a person winks out of existence they can no longer be punished.

Many are the unrepentant wicked who, after a life of rebellion toward God, long for such an end. But they won't get it. Every sin they've committed has ultimately been against an infinite, holy God and for that sin they will endure an infinite consequence. This is how bad God thinks our sin is. We need to take the same view of our sin, if we don't want to stand before Him one day and be cast out forever from His presence.

Romans 3:23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death...

James 2:10
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Acts 3:19
19 Repent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out...

 

[Dome558]

If we can go to heaven just by doing good works Jesus died for nothing.....for every ''good'' deeds man does, he commits 1000 ''bad'' deeds.... the good we do for others is just a debt we owe our fellow man...

 

[HTacianas]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

They are going wherever God wants them to go. Just like me. But we can't "judge a book by its cover". We can't look at someone who has made rotten decisions in their life and condemn them just we can't look at someone who does good with their lives and pronounce them guilt free. We run the risk of sending Bill Cosby to heaven for all the good he did in the world before what he was doing in private became known.

Mar 4:22 “For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light.

 

[Ligurian]

[...]
but we do know this:

Rom 2:13-16 describes the case of non-Christians with no access to the Bible -- where in some cases they are born again saints that do go to heaven because of the blood of Christ that they do not know about.

Rom 2:13-16
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus.

Rom 2:
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

This world entered into rebellion against God via the sin of Adam and Eve a Romans 5 reminds us.

"we" don't all know that, because not all of us are the gentiles to whom Paul speaks.

Some of us believe every one shall die in his own sin.

Jeremiah 31:27-37 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Juda with the seed of man, and the seed of beast.[28] And it shall come to pass, that as I watched over them, to pull down, and to afflict, so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.[29] In those days they shall certainly not say, The fathers ate a sour grape, and the children’s teeth were set on edge.[30] But every one shall die in his own sin; and the teeth of him that eats the sour grape shall be set on edge.[31] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda:

John 12:32 says through His Spirit Jesus "Draws ALL mankind unto Him" .

All are drawn even though all do not have the written text or even access to the correct Gospel history.

Well that isn't true, because that's not even the "all" that's been drawn... the word "mankind" or "men" has been added by the translators.

John 12:32 κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν.TR
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the Earth, will draw all unto Me.

Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in Earth. (audience: the 11 Disciples)

Revelation 1:5-6 And from Ιησους Christ, the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the Earth.

(And John doesn't say it through the Spirit... it's not a revelation, because John was there when Ιησους spoke it... the Holy Spirit may have reminded him.)

 

[Ligurian]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fighter fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

What's YOUR definition of Christian? and Salvation?
Because not even all of us here are using the same dictionary.

 

[littlestar777]

If we can go to heaven just by doing good works Jesus died for nothing.....for every ''good'' deeds man does, he commits 1000 ''bad'' deeds.... the good we do for others is just a debt we owe our fellow man...

Just make it simple. There are only good and bad people. Your example sound like very bad people.

Where is good people going afterlife?

In some religion, merit point is calculated. Jesus good deed or merit points is almost infinite.

 

[Ligurian]

They are going wherever God wants them to go. Just like me. But we can't "judge a book by its cover". We can't look at someone who has made rotten decisions in their life and condemn them just we can't look at someone who does good with their lives and pronounce them guilt free. We run the risk of sending Bill Cosby to heaven for all the good he did in the world before what he was doing in private became known.

Mar 4:22 “For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light.

wow... You seem to be accusing God of sending people to hell, just because that's where He wants them. That's the flip-side of the predestination coin.

Even David, the man after God's own heart was not sin-free. Would he still have been chosen if he hadn't repented in tears, pleading for God to "take not Thy Holy Spirit from me"?

And anyway... "doing good deeds to be seen of men" doesn't turn out well for those being castigated in Matthew 23 as white-washed tombs full of dead men's bones. The Old Testament says love mercy, do justice, help the widow and the orphan. I don't see that change in the Gospel of the Kingdom for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fire Fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

If they have heard the gospel and rejected it I believe they will go to the lake of fire because they are all sinners just like the rest of us who are all in need of a Savior. Jesus said “he who denies me before men, I will deny before The Father”. So if these people have rejected the gospel then they have rejected Christ. Now for those who haven’t heard the gospel, I don’t know what their fate would be.

 

[littlestar777]

Well, those pictures are just "human", nothing come close to God. Just Good human being and comparison is totally out of topic especially compare to the almighty one.

 

[Ligurian]

If we can go to heaven just by doing good works Jesus died for nothing.....for every ''good'' deeds man does, he commits 1000 ''bad'' deeds.... the good we do for others is just a debt we owe our fellow man...

Died for nothing... seriously? The Resurrection of Life is not nothing. It fulfills the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, by defeating death itself. But, as in all prophecies like this, the sentence comes long before the prison term... so, people tend to forget.

 

[Dome558]

Just make it simple. There are only good and bad people. Your example sound like very bad people.

Where is good people going afterlife?

In some religion, merit point is calculated. Jesus good deed or merit points is almost infinite.

I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die. Galatians 2:21

 

[Dome558]

Died for nothing... seriously? The Resurrection of Life is not nothing. It fulfills the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, by defeating death itself. But, as in all prophecies like this, the sentence comes long before the prison term... so, people tend to forget.

I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Where are these good non Christian people (Teacher, Volunteer, Fire Fighter, etc) going afterlife without salvation ?

Welcome to CF! Are you in one of those photos?
No one knows the heart like God knows. So your query can not be answered.
Blessings.

 

[Lukaris]

The Lord says those who have done good will be saved and have those who have done evil will not. I believe God has many people who we have no way of knowing but He does in His plan.

See John 5:22-30



A Christian should know about what is needed for their individual salvation ( Philippians 2:12 etc.). We should at least pray for the salvation of everyone ( 1 Timothy 2:1-6) & pray for evangelism ( Matthew 9:36-38).

 

[littlestar777]

I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die. Galatians 2:21

Jesus died due to "supreme" compassion and the "salvation" for us. In a sense, Jesus is a supreme good people.

In some religion study, only one with supreme ability can do this.