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Must be so, 'cos 2duck said so
*why am I getting a WWE flashback of Stone-Cold Steve Austin right now
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Must be so, 'cos 2duck said sowell that's because the word nature and form have no meaning to a trinitarian.
why are you paranoid? Just look up the def. somewhere, I found a site that says nature means stuff. That it?Must be so, 'cos 2duck said so
*why am I getting a WWE flashback of Stone-Cold Steve Austin right now
Hi alphagulf, welcome to CFwhy are you paranoid? Just look up the def. somewhere, I found a site that says nature means stuff. That it?
who is steve austin? some hippie?
bravo yankee echo
Trinity Terminology7. Nature
The Trinitarian word "nature" is actually quite vague and is often left undefined creating much confusion. At times it means "stuff" as in the "nature of man" which means "the stuff of man," that is, flesh. So when they say "Jesus is human" it means "Jesus is human stuff" denoting "what" he is. At other times, Trinitarians use the term to describe functional characteristics as in the phrase, "it's not his nature to do such a thing." So a Trinitarian may say, "Jesus was divine by nature" indicating Jesus' functional behavior and abilities were divine in the sense of "who" he was.
Greetings.why are you paranoid? Just look up the def. somewhere, I found a site that says nature means stuff. That it?
who is steve austin? some hippie?
bravo yankee echo
I thought nature was referring to Spirit, which is a invisible form.hummmmmm, said Kingfish,
I think Alpha was refering to this
Trinity Terminology
So Nature means Jesus is both human and god stuff.
So "Nature" means Jesus is "both human and god stuff". A little imprecise, but not too far wrong, imohummmmmm, said Kingfish,
I think Alpha was refering to this
Trinity Terminology
So Nature means Jesus is both human and god stuff.
So Jesus is God and human stuff. what is god stuff? what is human stuff?So "Nature" means Jesus is "both human and god stuff". A little imprecise, but not too far wrong, imo
It is not really confusing at all.So Jesus is God and human stuff. what is god stuff? what is human stuff?
Im quite sure no matter how adrotely i pressed the issue you would not concede that trinity is in any way the least bit confusing and contradictory and nonsensical. but to me everything ab out it is confusing, contradictory, and nonsensical, such as god stuff.
So what you're saying is JW's have a trinity too, it's just d ifferent than the normal trinity.It is not really confusing at all.
Jehovah= is God the Father,he was never created
Jesus =is his Son, he was the first creation and through him all other creation happened. Jesus is a mirror image of Jehovah, meaning he is just like him,becasue of that he is sometimes called God.
Holy Spirit = is God's power or force. not a 'person' at all.
The only reason the Trinity is confusing, to some, is that it is a man made idea. Not a God based idea.
Actually , no. There is no such thing as a Trinity. The pagan trinities are 3 personalities in one.So what you're saying is JW's have a trinity too, it's just d ifferent than the normal trinity.
I agree your trinity isn't confusing, not that I believe it. But of course just because something isn't confusing doesn't mean it is true or not true.
YOu see no problem with saying JEsus is the first creation when scripture says he is the firstborn of all creation? If Jesus is born of creation, how can he be the first creation? Isn't that a contradiction?
Colossians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
How does the JW bible translate it?
This doesn't answer my question which was this.Actu
So this verse says he is in the image of God. It doesn't say he is God, but he is a reflection of god. In other words he is a perfect preventative of his Father. Just like we say on earth 'he is the spitting image of his father.' Which just means he is really like his dad. The only difference is that Jesus is a perfect example of Jehovah.
2dl said:YOu see no problem with saying JEsus is the first creation when scripture says he is the firstborn of all creation? If Jesus is born of creation, how can he be the first creation? Isn't that a contradiction?
Saying Jesus is the image of god is your answer to my question about how Jesus can be thefirst creation when the bible says he is the firstborn of All creation? Well I've heard worst answers.2dl said:Colossians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
This is the same thing. Before Jesus there was no creation of anything.YOu see no problem with saying JEsus is the first creation when scripture says he is the firstborn of all creation? If Jesus is born of creation, how can he be the first creation? Isn't that a contradiction?
So you're saying that Firstborn of creation means first creation.This is the same thing.
I see, you believe first creation means first born of creation.it'sme said:Before Jesus there was no creation of anything.
There was only Jehovah. Jehovah's first creation was Jesus. So Jesus is the first born of creation. In other words the first creation. Jesus was not created, from anything else, there was nothing else, that was created. And Jehovah created him very simular to himself.
first·bornI see, you believe first creation means first born of creation.
Does first born of my mother mean the same thing as first mother?
So you're saying Jesus is the first result of all creation. You're saying firstborn means first result.first·born
  /ˈfɜrstˈbɔrn/
–adjective
1.first in the order of birth; eldest.
–noun
2.a firstborn child.
3.a first result or product.
Firstborn | Define Firstborn at Dictionary.com
could be. Or could be you don't want to get involved in any discussion? In the case of the Greek word translated firstborn I rather doubt that the Greek word means 'first result" but when people are dirth to defend their doctrines one has to deal with whatever they are willing to deal with. My guess is probably JW org. hasn't told him how firstborn of all creation means first creation, so he prob. needs to ask them to know how to answer my question. But then again prob. the JW org. hasn't dealt with this topic so it will never be examined.Am I the only person who thinks that modern definitions of old phrases from a different language translated into English is kinda pointless to argue about?
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