Salvation and Sin

[jasperbound]

Before I ask, let me say that nobody but Christians should be reading this... Are all the non-Christians gone? Good...

All right, according to the ancient creed of OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), once I'm officially saved, there's nothing I could do that will throw away my salvation... even if I ended up being the Antichrist. However, as we stress to non-Christians, that does not mean that salvation is a license to sin.

Now that no non-Christian is reading this though, let's be real. True, salvation isn't a license to sin because it's not called a license to sin, but can't I sin all I want now that I know that I'm saved (and I know that I'm saved because I felt the Spirit and I know I'm saved and I've spoken in tongues long ago)? Sure, God will be a bit upset, but since there's nothing that He can do about it now, should I really be that worried over how He feels?

Discuss.

 

[jgonz]

I've never believed in the once saved always saved thing... probably because of Matthew 7:21-24
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'L-rd, L-rd' will enter the kingdome of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven." 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'L-rd, L-rd, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; Depart from Me, you who practice Lawlessness.' 24 "Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts upon them, maybe be campared to a wise man, who built his house upon a rock."

I think that makes it pretty clear that there will be some who either Think they're saved, or are just acting the part (and doing the "right stuff") but aren't really saved.

IMO, the "Depart from Me, you who practice Lawlessness" is interesting. "Lawlessness"... those who won't follow G-d's instructions.

 

[Soon Rev 22:11-12]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2525438-sin-resulting-in-death.html

 

[GraceInHim]

I've never believed in the once saved always saved thing... probably because of Matthew 7:21-24
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'L-rd, L-rd' will enter the kingdome of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven." 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'L-rd, L-rd, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; Depart from Me, you who practice Lawlessness.' 24 "Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts upon them, maybe be campared to a wise man, who built his house upon a rock."

I think that makes it pretty clear that there will be some who either Think they're saved, or are just acting the part (and doing the "right stuff") but aren't really saved.

IMO, the "Depart from Me, you who practice Lawlessness" is interesting. "Lawlessness"... those who won't follow G-d's instructions.

not only obey but love

 

[PaladinValer]

1. OSAS isn't an ancient Christian belief.
2. OSAS is a Gnostic/Manichean belief
3. Faith <-> Works

 

[jinkazama]

If someone confess that Jesus is Lord but did not repent in his life , is he saved?

For example, someone murder, cheat, steal, but he got injured and unable to function, what would happen to him?

Are mentally disabled automatically go to heaven, because they are unable to understand the message?

 

[Bulldog]

2. OSAS is a Gnostic/Manichean belief

Perhaps you could provide some speceific examples/ evidence?

 

[GraceInHim]

1. OSAS isn't an ancient Christian belief.
2. OSAS is a Gnostic/Manichean belief
3. Faith <-> Works

you should go to work then *joking*

 

[mutzrein]

Before I ask, let me say that nobody but Christians should be reading this... Are all the non-Christians gone? Good...

All right, according to the ancient creed of OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), once I'm officially saved, there's nothing I could do that will throw away my salvation... even if I ended up being the Antichrist. However, as we stress to non-Christians, that does not mean that salvation is a license to sin.

Now that no non-Christian is reading this though, let's be real. True, salvation isn't a license to sin because it's not called a license to sin, but can't I sin all I want now that I know that I'm saved (and I know that I'm saved because I felt the Spirit and I know I'm saved and I've spoken in tongues long ago)? Sure, God will be a bit upset, but since there's nothing that He can do about it now, should I really be that worried over how He feels?

Discuss.

The words 'saved' and 'salvation' mean different things to different people. Just so that I can understand what you are saying, what do they mean to you?

 

[Espada]

Before I ask, let me say that nobody but Christians should be reading this... Are all the non-Christians gone? Good...

All right, according to the ancient creed of OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), once I'm officially saved, there's nothing I could do that will throw away my salvation... even if I ended up being the Antichrist. However, as we stress to non-Christians, that does not mean that salvation is a license to sin.

Now that no non-Christian is reading this though, let's be real. True, salvation isn't a license to sin because it's not called a license to sin, but can't I sin all I want now that I know that I'm saved (and I know that I'm saved because I felt the Spirit and I know I'm saved and I've spoken in tongues long ago)? Sure, God will be a bit upset, but since there's nothing that He can do about it now, should I really be that worried over how He feels?

Discuss.

If you are truly saved, you will not continue to deliberately sin, you will not become the (an) antichrist. Instead you will follow Christ and do his bidding.

You are a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness, you do not have freedom to change, that is why Paul used the term slave not servant or employee.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The Reformed doctrine of eternal security, what the Synod of Dort called "Perseverance of the Saints" is that those whom God forordains to salvation before the foundation of the world can never be lost. God saves them by faith and keeps them by faith.
The Antinomian doctrine of eternal security is that once you "believe in Jesus" you are free to do as you like and still be saved. It reduces faith to nothing more than intellectual assent to certain propositions. Such faith is not faith at all, but presumption.
Be careful not to confuse the two!