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Wouldn't Jesus be our best role model ?
He sure is. Since Christ is Sinless and 100% Divine as well as Human, it's very difficult to be just like Him. But for us struggling sinners and mortal human beings, to see our fellow human beings grow in Christ to the point where you can see Christ's Light permeating from these people through their holiness, it inspires you and gives you hope to be able to maybe someday reach at least a small part of that type of theosis before we die.Wouldn't Jesus be our best role model ?
He would be the easiest role model. Many of the saints surpassed Him in the suffering they endured or the miracles they performed (John 14:12).Wouldn't Jesus be our best role model ?
He would be the easiest role model. Many of the saints surpassed Him in the suffering they endured or the miracles they performed (John 14:12).
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Of course. Now, do you know for a fact how Jesus would react if dealing with a 'virtuous' Moslem ruler? Or how He would deal with a wild wolf threatening Him and His followers? We can make some good guesses, but we don't know for sure -- but we do know how someone who spent his life trying to follow Him, Francesco di Bernardone, of Assisi, did. We don't know how Jesus would behave if He had been a young girl in a country occupied by foreign armies. But we do know how Jeanne d'Arc behaved, and she tried to follow Him. Or how about a famous German organist and theologian who felt the call to evangelize the natives of Central Africa, like Albert Schweitzer? It's examples like that which make the saints useful.
He sure is. Since Christ is Sinless and 100% Divine as well as Human, it's very difficult to be just like Him. But for us struggling sinners and mortal human beings, to see our fellow human beings grow in Christ to the point where you can see Christ's Light permeating from these people through their holiness, it inspires you and gives you hope to be able to maybe someday reach at least a small part of that type of theosis before we die.
But this is the Christ that Paul preached , & told us to be like...in fact , to put on His likeness . While I agree other Christians can & do inspire us , that is where it finishes , they have no ability to hear or answer prayer .Since Christ is Sinless and 100% Divine as well as Human, it's very difficult to be just like Him.
Personally , I believe these are backwards , illumination leads to purification . We're called-we see/hear/accept the Truth , via repentance & faith in the blood of Christ , we're made pure .Theosis is the third of three stages; the first being purification (katharsis) and the second illumination (theoria). By means of purification a person comes to illumination and then sainthood
By your definition of "sainthood" , I would argue that all true believers are saints...awaiting resurrection .Sainthood is the participation of the person in the life of God.
All these people you mentioned , they're , well most of them , are just sinners , same as you & I . The good works they performed that you allude to , is just the Spirit of God working through them . Certainly doesn't make them ...demigods ,able to hear or answer prayer .
Nope, not lowering the bar, working on being Christlike and strive for that oneness with God. That is definitely not lowering the bar, and the Saints show us how it can be achieved in mere humans. They are examples for us. Doesn't mean Christ wasn't an example. Christ is God and showed us how to live, and what to do, for example to be baptized and such. What you need to understand is that we honor those before us who struggled, changed their lives and followed Christ in a most holy way. These Saints stand out for us as a great example of what we can become. It doesn't take away our love of Christ, but rather brings us closer to God because we see God working in these Saints, and we feel the warmth of His Light, the joy of His Grace, and the Love that bathes those who truly live their lives for Christ.But this is the Christ that Paul preached , & told us to be like...in fact , to put on His likeness . While I agree other Christians can & do inspire us , that is where it finishes , they have no ability to hear or answer prayer .
Sooo , we should just continue to lower the bar until we find someone we can aspire too ?
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