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What didn't He fulfillwhy what did he fulfill?
1) I believe that the words "these," "christian," and "bibles" should have had the first letter capitalized.
2) I believe it is "Hebrew."
3) It assumes facts not in evidence. In fact, when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found it turns out that something like 99.99% of what we have is what was original. There's very few places where translators missed the mark and some have been corrected in subsequent translations (older one's had fewer mss to work with and less knowledge about the culture and times).
Give me a few examplesI'M AFRAID YOU ARE MISTAKEN, THERE ARE LOTS OF PASSAGES THAT DO NTO CONVEY THE CORRECT MEANING. SOME DELIBRATE AND SOME BECAUSE THE WORDS IN GREEK/ ENGLISH DO NOT SUFFICE.
What didn't He fulfill
Hey, that is the Jew's problem not mine.He didnt fulfill the conditions of the messiah. he didnt usher in a time of universal peace, he did not rebuild the 3rd temple and he was not from the tribe of judah.That my friend means in no uncertain terms that he is not the Jewish Messiah. sorry.
I wonder if anyone is forgetting one KEY element in all the personal study here.....
JESUS CHRIST HAD TO SHED HIS BLOOD AS A SACRIFICE FOR OUR SIN.
In fact, Jesus prayed in the garden, telling the Father, (essentially) If there be any other way.... let this cup pass from Me...
IF there were any other way to atone for sin, don't you think Christ would have used it when He was struggling with His fate that nite when He was arrested by Roman gaurds?
You can try to study the bible all you want, but JESUS' own example is your proof that BLOOD IS MANDATORY TO REMOVE SIN.
Hebrews (10)? tells us that prior to Christ's death, the sacrificing merely allowed God to "pass over" the sin, it wasn't removed.
[His] Blood fully atones; removing the sin from us.
have you read the start of this post???
No there is other means of atonement, animal sacrifice was not the only method of atonement, repentance was the most important to HaShem, animal sacrifice being the leastimportant.
Hey, that is the Jew's problem not mine.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt of a Man, a Y@huwdiy , saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with You!
Reve 5:5 and one of the elders saith to me, `Weep not; lo, overcome did the Lion, who is of the tribe of Y@huwdah, the root of David, to open the scroll,
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm
The Etymology of the Word "Jew"
In his classic Facts are Facts, Jewish historian, researcher and scholar Benjamin Freedom writes:
Jesus is referred as a so-called "Jew" for the first time in the New Testament in the 18th century. Jesus is first referred to as a so-called "Jew" in the revised 18th century editions in the English language of the 14th century first translations of the New Testament into English.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt of a Man, a Y@huwdiy , saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with You!
Reve 5:5 and one of the elders saith to me, `Weep not; lo, overcome did the Lion, who is of the tribe of Y@huwdah, the root of David, to open the scroll,
They were "JUDEANS".that was a poor translation shall we have a proper translation now instead of one that is fit for the trash,
Zac 8,23 Thus says the LORD of Hosts: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that G~d is with you.’”
See your version has to take out the Jew because then it won't clash with you pagan Idolotary, Hashem is with the Jew in this Passage and not the Xian. the Xian will be one of those who takes hold of the Jews robe, like it or not, all nations will see Torah go forth from Zion.
we both know that is not what is meant, you are really scraping the barell.It is talkin about the end of days, how do you know they are gonna be Judeans?They were "JUDEANS".
Luke 21:21 then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;
Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Hey, that is the Jew's problem not mine.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt of a Man, a Y@huwdiy , saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with You!
Because my Bro Paul says so.we both know that is not what is meant, you are really scraping the barell.It is talkin about the end of days, how do you know they are gonna be Judeans?
Give me a few examples
Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Hey, that is the Jew's problem not mine.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt of a Man, a Y@huwdiy , saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with You!
Yes, I had a discussion with the "Jews" on that and I agree with their translation.The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."
Matt 23:32 and ye--ye fill up the measure of your fathers. 33 `Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the Gehenna?
Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Yeshua departed from the Temple, and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple,
Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Yisra'el will be burying Them, in order to CLEANSE/PURIFY the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says 'Adonay Y@hovih .
Btw, we had a thread over here concerning Psalm 22The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."
Yes, I had a discussion with the "Jews" on that and I agree with their translation.
(Young) Psalms 22:16 And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed me, lions/0738 'ariy digged/03738 karahat my hands and my feet.
Yes, I had a discussion with the "Jews" on that and I agree with their translation.
(Young) Psalms 22:16 And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed me, lions/0738 'ariy digged/03738 karahat my hands and my feet.
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
I'M AFRAID YOU ARE MISTAKEN, THERE ARE LOTS OF PASSAGES THAT DO NTO CONVEY THE CORRECT MEANING. SOME DELIBRATE AND SOME BECAUSE THE WORDS IN GREEK/ ENGLISH DO NOT SUFFICE
I am sorry, but while it is true that there is no precise one-to-one correspondance between the Hebrew and English (actually between any two languages) it is not true that the English Bibles have "lots of passages" that are in error. Scholars of the Judeo-Christian religion have studied this subject for literally decades and have found no major difference between the MT and the OT in the English. Anyone who has told you otherwise didn't know what they are talking about. Scholars consult Hebrew-English lexicons (in some cases written by Jews) in order to get at the proper meaning of the texts that they are examining/translating (that's how we learned how to translate Hebrew when we were in the Seminary or preparing for it.).
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