Sabbatical Year

[Shimshon]

Not to mention, have you adjusted for 360 day years to these dates?

I tend to go with Ezekiel's Jubilee that began in Tishri of 574 BC. The Talmud also states that Ezekiel received his Temple vision in the year of the 17th Jubilee. 574-573 BC. for the 17th Jubilee. Using these dates one will notice the amazing fit with dates like 1917, 1945, 1952, 1959, 1973, 1980...2001, 2008....2015. Which speaks right into Jonathan Cahn's understanding of the shemitah as well.

Continue on down through this link I gave in the last post you will find...
Add 49 years to 1966 and you get 2015.

Yes, as I said before above when I use Ezekiel's jubilee the run of dates is striking. I don't have my spreadsheet on me, if you run 30 31 ad back do you hit 574bc?

 

[NannaNae]

( I'm having issues with my connection sorry about all the duplicate posts guys!)

 

[NannaNae]

ok for a very strange question I know... don't laugh but
are we seeing a physical jubilee and a spiritual one running at different times? .. like we have a spiritual new year for the soul and the agricultural new year for the land ?

because not only has our family seen the 7 Sabbath of years are in effect in our lives but also two times a year is when there is NEW direction given..

I have no idea if that is happening with anyone else or if ours correlates with ancient israeli types / pictures or not.. we just know it is happening with us.

 

[Shimshon]

ok for a very strange question I know... don't laugh but
are we seeing a physical jubilee and a spiritual one running at different times? .. like we have a spiritual new year for the soul and the agricultural new year for the land ?

because not only has our family seen the 7 Sabbath of years are in effect in our lives but also two times a year is when there is NEW direction given..

I have no idea if that is happening with anyone else or if ours correlates with ancient israeli types / pictures or not.. we just know it is happening with us.

yes, I sensed a 7 yr cycle in my own life. Not to mention I was born on a shemitah.

 

[visionary]

Yes, as I said before above when I use Ezekiel's jubilee the run of dates is striking. I don't have my spreadsheet on me, if you run 30 31 ad back do you hit 574bc?

OHHHHHHhhhhh cool!!!! More evidence that this time frame has more lined up with it. Is there any way that you can, when you get to it, post the spreadsheet or ?? something so that we can see what you have got so far. I know I would love to see it.

 

[NannaNae]

wowowowowowwwwww !
ok so by the different ways of understanding the possible timing of jubilee... let not get too excited yet
so we have possible 2015 and ?( of course 65 )

what about the others we were looking at earlier..
so can someone who understands this better than I do ( vision? please ) , please put the dates and how they were reached , and by 49's or 50's for each possible date , or the authority of each date.. for us please .. pretty please!

 

[Shimshon]

OHHHHHHhhhhh cool!!!! More evidence that this time frame has more lined up with it. Is there any way that you can, when you get to it, post the spreadsheet or ?? something so that we can see what you have got so far. I know I would love to see it.

I believe I am chucking the 50yr cycle. The dates do not line up at all, and it appears both were actually done in antiquity. It seems that a 50yr cycle may have been used up until a certain time, then a 49yr cycle was used. Which could explain why the dates line up on the 49yr cycle as oppsoed to the 50.

I've uploaded the excel spreadsheet on my blog here; Shmita Calcualtions

I am using excel as a calculator, having set up the formulas and needing only to set the dates. I've set the dates according to some timelines I have and according to modern events. The cool thing is the modern events line up with the biblical dates more than not when I use the 49yr cycle, not so much when the 50yr cycle is used. Which is why I'm tossing the 50yr cycle for now.

What i'm really needing are valid dates. I've found dates all over the place and do not have time to study the differnces at the moment. If anyone knows of some valid dates please lead me to them. Or if you want to try and plug dates in yourself you can go to the blog and download (save) the spreadsheet and play with it yourself.

Here is a screenshot of one of the periods.

https://messianicway.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/49yr-shmita-partial1_page_13.jpg

What I noticed was the run of dates that bookend the ages. 1910, 1917, 1924, 1931, 38, 45, 52, 59, 66, 73, 80, 87, 93, 01, 08, 15. Then notice the BC dates that line up, but NOT on the shmita. I also see many things occur in the middle of a cycle. But that could be because the timeline/dates are not perfect.

Have fun! Let me know what you find.

 

[visionary]

I got a "privacy error" with the Shmita Calculations link.

 

[Shimshon]

I got a "privacy error" with the Shmita Calculations link.

Bummer. Not sure why. It's just a wordpress blog. Anyone else having issues? I know when I came on here just now I appeared to be under Hannibal flavius's screen name. said welcome Hannibal Flavius and the screen was a weird blue. Immediately I thought strange, and I just backed out. when I came back it was my screen name. A lot of strange things are happening at the moment.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

I believe I am chucking the 50yr cycle. The dates do not line up at all, and it appears both were actually done in antiquity. It seems that a 50yr cycle may have been used up until a certain time, then a 49yr cycle was used. Which could explain why the dates line up on the 49yr cycle as oppsoed to the 50.

I've uploaded the excel spreadsheet on my blog here; Shmita Calcualtions

I am using excel as a calculator, having set up the formulas and needing only to set the dates. I've set the dates according to some timelines I have and according to modern events. The cool thing is the modern events line up with the biblical dates more than not when I use the 49yr cycle, not so much when the 50yr cycle is used. Which is why I'm tossing the 50yr cycle for now.

What i'm really needing are valid dates. I've found dates all over the place and do not have time to study the differnces at the moment. If anyone knows of some valid dates please lead me to them. Or if you want to try and plug dates in yourself you can go to the blog and download (save) the spreadsheet and play with it yourself.

Here is a screenshot of one of the periods.

https://messianicway.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/49yr-shmita-partial1_page_13.jpg

What I noticed was the run of dates that bookend the ages. 1910, 1917, 1924, 1931, 38, 45, 52, 59, 66, 73, 80, 87, 93, 01, 08, 15. Then notice the BC dates that line up, but NOT on the shmita. I also see many things occur in the middle of a cycle. But that could be because the timeline/dates are not perfect.

Have fun! Let me know what you find.

It seems irresponsible to throw out the 50 year cycle in favor of something Jonathan Cahn throws out there.

It is seven 7-year cycles (6 years and then a sh'mitah year, repeat 7 times), with a Yovel (50th year) separating the cycles. The 50th year has to be a set apart year to be viewed as separate, by itself. The only reason it's not adding up for the proposed timeline is because it doesn't fit said timeline for "prophetic events" to unfold. Instead of questioning the prophet, let's throw out an appointed time... that seems irresponsible, as previously stated.

 

[NannaNae]

well my guess is that when Jesus died it was a Jubilee and that the Father knew when it really was and sent Jesus at just that right time. Since the jews didn't celebrate it at all except when under captivity of some kind hoping to bribe God into getting themselves free , thus who knows why they picked a date. the rest of "his people " christians didn't do it at all either after Jesus It seems they thought pink bunnies and fat guys in red suits was way more fun than giving the land back to the original inhabitants and setting their slaves free and forgiving all old debts ......


so probably the best way to find his truth is to go back to our caves, set all of our slaves free, forgive all old debts , not much we can do about land issues now ...and then wait for man to destroy the world and then for the trumpets to start .. now maybe that is the best way to know for sure..

 

[Shimshon]

It seems irresponsible to throw out the 50 year cycle in favor of something Jonathan Cahn throws out there.

I would use the term regrettable instead of irresponsible, as I did not make this 'present' decision because of anything Jonathan said. In fact I haven't even been using him. I haven't read his books nor is his research the motivating factor behind my endeavors. I guess I shouldn't have used the terms 'chuck' and toss out' I wasn't trying to imply it's 'abolished'. LOL pun intended.

See, when I did recently engage here about Jonathan Cahn's books and theories I did not really agree with them, and started doing a little research. Like any good Messianic does, right? We do not just take what is said at face value, we study to find it approved or not. Even if we don't like the outcome. When I did this I realized that my people (Jews) had been discussing this long before Jonathan. And I wondered if Jonathan was actually just enlightening the Christian world with something that Judaism has been contemplating for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Jonathan's work is a foot note to my interests here. That foot note are the modern events that seemingly line up to the shmita calendar. I think Jona is on to something, yes. But my main goal is to understand the shmita itself, as it applies to the kingdom of God.

It is seven 7-year cycles (6 years and then a sh'mitah year, repeat 7 times), with a Yovel (50th year) separating the cycles. The 50th year has to be a set apart year to be viewed as separate, by itself. The only reason it's not adding up for the proposed timeline is because it doesn't fit said timeline for "prophetic events" to unfold. Instead of questioning the prophet, let's throw out an appointed time... that seems irresponsible, as previously stated.

If we can align the appointed time with historical events would this not be the goal to understanding how the shmita and the yovel are used by God to communicate his will? I think the shmita is inextricably linked to the timeline of God, in fact I think it IS his calendar of action. The Torah is our calendar, the shmita is the other side of the coin. The Torah is how we relate to God, the shmita is when God relates to us. Is he bound to ONLY operate on the shmita? Yes, and no. If he said this is how he is going to communicate to us, then yes. But if we think God defined something that binds him so he can not act when he wants, then no.

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

 

[rick357]

I would use the term regrettable instead of irresponsible, as I did not make this 'present' decision because of anything Jonathan said. In fact I haven't even been using him. I haven't read his books nor is his research the motivating factor behind my endeavors. I guess I shouldn't have used the terms 'chuck' and toss out' I wasn't trying to imply it's 'abolished'. LOL pun intended.

See, when I did recently engage here about Jonathan Cahn's books and theories I did not really agree with them, and started doing a little research. Like any good Messianic does, right? We do not just take what is said at face value, we study to find it approved or not. Even if we don't like the outcome. When I did this I realized that my people (Jews) had been discussing this long before Jonathan. And I wondered if Jonathan was actually just enlightening the Christian world with something that Judaism has been contemplating for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Jonathan's work is a foot note to my interests here. That foot note are the modern events that seemingly line up to the shmita calendar. I think Jona is on to something, yes. But my main goal is to understand the shmita itself, as it applies to the kingdom of God.

If we can align the appointed time with historical events would this not be the goal to understanding how the shmita and the yovel are used by God to communicate his will? I think the shmita is inextricably linked to the timeline of God, in fact I think it IS his calendar of action. The Torah is our calendar, the shmita is the other side of the coin. The Torah is how we relate to God, the shmita is when God relates to us. Is he bound to ONLY operate on the shmita? Yes, and no. If he said this is how he is going to communicate to us, then yes. But if we think God defined something that binds him so he can not act when he wants, then no.

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

As I read your post when I read about him revealing his will this popped in my head "a righteous man falls seven times"...Yeshua said we forgive seventy times seven...righteous man would be one who has stopped his own work and come to YHWH's rest...so seven times seven...I believe there is a connection and parable here.

 

[rick357]

continuing in this thought if we go to first John chapter 2 verse 1 through 11 gives us what we are supposed to be. Verse 12 through 14 is the journey which brings us there.

the order seems out of place to us little children fathers and then young men... but consider we come in as children we believe ourselves to be fathers in the process of times God begins to show us that we are not as mature as we think until once again we become little children.....now notice there are six divisions man working out his salvation...for in six days you shall do all your labour...bringing us to his rest the completion of his work in us

Or instead of an individual consider us all in Adam...he is made a child...at his fall he becomes a father...at Mount Sinai he becomes a young man...at Yeshua's revealing he is born again as a child...becomes a father in great commision...becomes a young man as the living word abides in him
In the end when he has come into the kingdom of heaven it is once more as a little child....what he was created to be when YHWH looked and saw it was very good

Not trying to derail the thread but to understand what is seen on the earth it must be viewed from the eye of heaven

 

[NannaNae]

""If we can align the appointed time with historical events would this not be the goal to understanding how the shmita and the yovel are used by God to communicate his will? I think the shmita is inextricably linked to the timeline of God, in fact I think it IS his calendar of action. The Torah is our calendar, the shmita is the other side of the coin. The Torah is how we relate to God, the shmita is when God relates to us. Is he bound to ONLY operate on the shmita? Yes, and no. If he said this is how he is going to communicate to us, then yes. But if we think God defined something that binds him so he can not act when he wants, then no.""
I love this , so true!

 

[Hoshiyya]

It just genuinely amazes me that certain people would prefer speculation and unclarity and private interpretation (Jeremiah 17:9, 2 Peter 1:20) to the clear answers that have already been provided by God's chosen people.

The automatic, unconsidered, presumption that the Jewish tradition CANNOT be correct, evident so often among MG's, is a clear sign of lacking objectivity.

(I am not adressing any specific person)

 

[Shimshon]

continuing in this thought if we go to first John chapter 2 verse 1 through 11 gives us what we are supposed to be. Verse 12 through 14 is the journey which brings us there.

the order seems out of place to us little children fathers and then young men... but consider we come in as children we believe ourselves to be fathers in the process of times God begins to show us that we are not as mature as we think until once again we become little children.....now notice there are six divisions man working out his salvation...for in six days you shall do all your labour...bringing us to his rest the completion of his work in us

Or instead of an individual consider us all in Adam...he is made a child...at his fall he becomes a father...at Mount Sinai he becomes a young man...at Yeshua's revealing he is born again as a child...becomes a father in great commision...becomes a young man as the living word abides in him
In the end when he has come into the kingdom of heaven it is once more as a little child....what he was created to be when YHWH looked and saw it was very good

Not trying to derail the thread but to understand what is seen on the earth it must be viewed from the eye of heaven

good point. And thanks. I had not pondered the way you described these verses by John before. I like that understanding.

 

[rick357]

good point. And thanks. I had not pondered the way you described these verses by John before. I like that understanding.

All things taught and written in Torah are one life in him

May we all grow in grace and peace being made one with him.

 

[visionary]

Not to mention, have you adjusted for 360 day years to these dates?

I tend to go with Ezekiel's Jubilee that began in Tishri of 574 BC. The Talmud also states that Ezekiel received his Temple vision in the year of the 17th Jubilee. 574-573 BC. for the 17th Jubilee. Using these dates one will notice the amazing fit with dates like 1917, 1945, 1952, 1959, 1973, 1980...2001, 2008....2015. Which speaks right into Jonathan Cahn's understanding of the shemitah as well.

Since the counting of the Jubilee comes from the counting of the sacred years, the actual days of the year are not what makes a year's count. So whether it is 360 or 365, it is by the count of the yearly feasts that we figure out whether or not it is a sabbath year.

 

[Shimshon]

Since the counting of the Jubilee comes from the counting of the sacred years, the actual days of the year are not what makes a year's count. So whether it is 360 or 365, it is by the count of the yearly feasts that we figure out whether or not it is a sabbath year.

I would believe the fixing of the calendar and even more the addition of leap years would have effected the count of the shmita's. Don't you?