Sabbatical Year

[Shimshon]

Years 1-7, 8-14, 9-21, 22-28, 29-35, 36-42, 43-49, would be seven, seven-year cycles with the 50th year being a year set apart, perhaps. Then the cycles start again?

Here is what struck me. Looking at your numbers above, 7,14,21,28,35,49, 49 is the shemitah AND the Yovel. Because if I relate it to the weekly cycle the 7th day is the shabbat, so the 7th shemitah is the yovel. It follows the pattern.

Why would the shabbat be calculated 6 days work/7th rest, the shemitah be calculated 6yrs work/7th rest, but the yovel be calculated 6yrs work/7th year rest/8th year rest & rejoice? It does not follow the pattern, nor does God define the yovel rest for the land as an 'added' day to the cycle. If he did then we wouldn't be having this discussion, no?

But, I do think the key in this is the three years provision, and the eighth day sowing. These things rule out an 8th year yovel shabbat after the 7th year shemitah.

 

[Shimshon]

That would also mean that Jubilee is the 50th year and the first of the next seven years. If this is true, then 1977 was a Sabbatical year and 1978 a Jubilee year. Sabbatical years would occur in 1985, 1992, 1999, 2006, 2013, 2020 and 2027, with the next Jubilee in 2028.

Not to mention, have you adjusted for 360 day years to these dates?

I tend to go with Ezekiel's Jubilee that began in Tishri of 574 BC. The Talmud also states that Ezekiel received his Temple vision in the year of the 17th Jubilee. 574-573 BC. for the 17th Jubilee. Using these dates one will notice the amazing fit with dates like 1917, 1945, 1952, 1959, 1973, 1980...2001, 2008....2015. Which speaks right into Jonathan Cahn's understanding of the shemitah as well.

 

[NannaNae]

isn't gleaning from nature always allowed during every sabbeth,..
I mean when even on sabbeth he and the apostles got in trouble with the Rabbi's for gleaning grain as they walked along.

so I think gleaning is possible.. and I have been thinking of starting a website about just that issue for my area ... how to cook it and make it taste good or at least eatable. gathering info from native elders in native communities about how to cook native stuff in the woods.
I have spent years gathering and studying wild plants and propagating them for some reason. you know permaculture ..also hydroponic and aquaponcs etc not only is it part of my heritage and things that I should know .. that was lost and now I am trying to get some of that knowledge back a website might help others too.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

Why would the shabbat be calculated 6 days work/7th rest, the shemitah be calculated 6yrs work/7th rest, but the yovel be calculated 6yrs work/7th year rest/8th year rest & rejoice? It does not follow the pattern, nor does God define the yovel rest for the land as an 'added' day to the cycle. If he did then we wouldn't be having this discussion, no?

It follows the pattern of the omer. 49 days, then Shavuot.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

isn't gleaning from nature always allowed during every sabbeth,..
I mean when even on sabbeth he and the apostles got in trouble with the Rabbi's for gleaning grain as they walked along.

so I think gleaning is possible.. and I have been thinking of starting a website about just that issue for my area ... how to cook it and make it taste good or at least eatable. gathering info from native elders in native communities about how to cook native stuff in the woods.
I have spent years gathering and studying wild plants and propagating them for some reason. you know permaculture ..also hydroponic and aquaponcs etc not only is it part of my heritage and things that I should know .. that was lost and now I am trying to get some of that knowledge back a website might help others too.

Let us know where to look you up once you get it going!

 

[visionary]

Here is what struck me. Looking at your numbers above, 7,14,21,28,35,49, 49 is the shemitah AND the Yovel. Because if I relate it to the weekly cycle the 7th day is the shabbat, so the 7th shemitah is the yovel. It follows the pattern.

Why would the shabbat be calculated 6 days work/7th rest, the shemitah be calculated 6yrs work/7th rest, but the yovel be calculated 6yrs work/7th year rest/8th year rest & rejoice? It does not follow the pattern, nor does God define the yovel rest for the land as an 'added' day to the cycle. If he did then we wouldn't be having this discussion, no?

But, I do think the key in this is the three years provision, and the eighth day sowing. These things rule out an 8th year yovel shabbat after the 7th year shemitah.

Isn't that like asking why does the Sukkot have an eighth day, Shemini Atzeret? Is it not like a Jubilee of the cycle of sevens?

 

[Shimshon]

isn't gleaning from nature always allowed during every sabbeth,..

During the yovel it is allowed to eat the produce of the 'field'.

Lev 25:11 That fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; in it you shall neither sow nor reap what grows of itself nor gather the grapes from the undressed vines. 12 For it is a jubilee. It shall be holy to you. You may eat the produce of the field.
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I've seen this understood as country, or wild fruit. Not that which was sown in a cultivated field. These were to lay fallow, but the wild produce was allowed to be eaten.

Now, did anyone catch what the above quote indicated? Did I find an exact statement that plainly states the yovel is NOT the 49th year of the cycle?

See, the shemitah is very easy (in relation) to determine by antiquity and scripture, but the yovel is not.

So, IF the yovel is on the 50th year, is this the same year as the first of the new 49yr cycle, or is this an added year into the cycle of 49 years?

And if it is an added year, again, how do we account for the sowing on the eighth year? It can explain the mention of the 'ninth' year, but I don't see how the sowing on the eighth is possible when the eighth year is technically the yovel.

Lev 25:20 And if you say, 'What shall we eat in the seventh year, if we may not sow or gather in our crop?' 21 I will command my blessing on you in the sixth year, so that it will produce a crop sufficient for three years. 22When you sow in the eighth year, you will be eating some of the old crop; you shall eat the old until the ninth year, when its crop arrives.

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Are the three years provided for the 6th, 7th, and 8th? If so, why is it said there will be sowing in the eighth year? And that the 6th year produce would last till the 9th and it's crop arrives? That is four years.

Unless, the 6th's produce lasts for the 7th shemitah, the Yovel, and into the 8th/or first year of the new cycle (three years).

I think what throws me in all this is the ninth year mention, and how 6 to 9 is four years. I'm not understanding how a harvested crop is not counted in the same year it is harvested.

The blessing come on the sixth, and are to last for three years. Sowing is done on the eighth but the crop does not arrive till the 9th. IF this is the case then the sixth year crop would not arrive till the 7th year. Which may make sense then that the three years of the sixth year harvest covers not 6-9 but 7-9 which is three. However the sowing on the eighth messes this all up again.

So, trying to corelate Lev 25:11 with 25:22 is really key here I think.

If the 50th year is the yovel, how can we sow on the eighth year? If the 49th year is the 7th year of the cycle, and the 50th year is the yovel and the 8th year of the cycle, you have Lev 25:22 stating that sowing is allowed on the 8th day.

 

[Shimshon]

It follows the pattern of the omer. 49 days, then Shavuot.

Your right!

 

[Shimshon]

isn't gleaning from nature always allowed during every sabbeth,..
I mean when even on sabbeth he and the apostles got in trouble with the Rabbi's for gleaning grain as they walked along.

so I think gleaning is possible..

Though we have no scripture stating a positive command that gleaning was allowed 'on shabbat', persay. We do have an inferred pattern, one of the shemitah.

Exodus 23:10 And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and gather in the increase thereof;

11 but the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie fallow, that the poor of thy people may eat; and what they leave the beast of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.


12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest; that thine ox and thine ass may have rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

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What this shows me is that Yeshua and his followers were quite just in doing what they were doing, eating from the field as poor (dirty nazarenes from the galil). It's not like they were showing up at Elizar's farm to harvest his produce as it was supposed to lay fallow. They were gleaning as was allowed by Torah. That is if you accept the pattern for verse 11 to hold true for verse 12.

And I imagine they most definitly would be allowed to glean from a wild field. I think the response they received was like going to the corporate farm to glean according to the law and the farmers accused them of 'working/harvesting' the crop. Political symantics. And, unfair balances. To me this is why Messiah responded by saying 'man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man'. The shabbat was to be a time where the poor could eat freely if they so 'pick and choose' (pun intended). But the elite clobbered them with the law, unjustly.

 

[NannaNae]

thank you Shimshom I had suspected that was the case..

but is it me or doesn't anyone else see the possibility of some very divine provision for at least 3 1/2 years is poosible before a big deal comes down maybe.... oh. wow

so I also have a technicality question..
what if I planted my property with Wild and native foods.. not like a veg garden ( back to Eden gardening is way cool guys, get or barrow this tape! easiest gardening you will ever do .. ) but like a wild Forrest in rows...it is permaculture but very much not tended ... very wild... these are mostly native trees from conservation service. bundles of bare rooted baby baby trees ... 200 +++ native mulberry and service berry , elderberry, wild pear , native peaches, and many wild plums, wild persimmons and pawpaw , choke cherry and Aronia, sand cherry and sand plums.. , native grapes and black berry raspberry , gooseberry....much much more rotf..... but they are all baby trees and baby plants two to three years old and just starting to reach over the weeds.. and also hiding in the weeds are some awesome little baby trees.. they are freezing back every winter , but they are there.....500 baby fig trees the very best I could find to start and propagate for (almost) around here.. so can you glean your wild areas if you planted those areas? what do you think?

or maybe I have to let everyone else at those trees because I and my family already know where all the good trees around my area are.. because I went and got cuttings and started all of them for the land here .



and what about fishing with a pole in a river and or out of your pond during sabbath ?
or how about a net in your koi pond that has blue gills too ?

maybe I can hunt in someone else pond and they glean in mine

 

[Shimshon]

so I also have a technicality question..
what if I planted my property with Wild and native foods.. not like a veg garden ( back to Eden gardening is way cool guys, get or barrow this tape! easiest gardening you will ever do .. ) but like a wild Forrest in rows...it is permaculture but very much not tended ... very wild... these are mostly native trees from conservation service. bundles of bare rooted baby baby trees ... 200 +++ native mulberry and service berry , elderberry, wild pear , native peaches, and many wild plums, wild persimmons and pawpaw , choke cherry and Aronia, sand cherry and sand plums.. , native grapes and black berry rasperry , gooseberry....much much more rotf..... but they are all baby trees and baby plants two to three years old and just starting to reach over the weeds.. and also hiding in the weeds are some awesome little baby trees.. they freezing back every winter , but they are there.....500 baby fig trees the very best I could find to start and propagate for (almost around here..



and what about fishing with a pole in a river and or out of your pond during sabbath ?
or how about a net in your koi pond that has blue gills too ?

maybe I can hunt in someone else pond and they glean in mine

I like your humor! Here in the PNW we have tree-farms galore, the whole forest looks like a patchwork quilt (and I cry). My personal answer? What I emphasised tells me you are planting to harvest. If I held to Torah in this case I would treat it just as a cultivating field because that is exactly what your doing with it on your property. Your planting to cultivate your produce on your land. According to Torah you would not be allowed to work it on shabbats, shemitahs, and yovels. If you were poor with no land or produce to store up you would be allowed to wander into other's property and eat what they laid fallow, and you would be allowed to eat any wild friut you found. But your own land must rest from your working it.

Now, try and accomodate this in America! There are no truely 'public' lands, all are 'owned' either by individuals, companies, or the government. So in your case, having your own property and harvestable crops you would not be 'poor' and would not qualilfy to wander into your neighbors land and get food there, that is stealing. You would not be able to eat from government lands because you need a permit to harvest wild herbs and fruit. I know, I was into organic herabal products running my own business years back. We used hand-crafted wild herbs, not corporate grown.

We are not in 'the land' so we can not apply the Torah that deals with the land. This is the curse of exile, and why every shemitah we have to deal with the curse of NOT being able to observe it. Instead of resetting things, proclaiming liberty, and resting peacefully in the land, we are continuing our exile, remaining bound by our sins, and bear a Torah that can not be accomplished because of our refusal to obey God's commands.

This is also why Yeshua is our shabbat rest. In him we have our blessings of the shemitah, outside of him we have the curse of exile. Where the shemitah reflects the curse of our rejection. What was to be our rest has become our chaos. And only has repreive under the cover of Yeshua, who keeps us till the day of our redemption. He is our shemitah, our yovel who we rest in.

I definitly see God working in his seven year cycles. It's scarily awesome!

 

[visionary]

I know farmers who do not harvest on the sabbath year and who reap more in six years than their neighbors.

 

[rick357]

Here is what struck me. Looking at your numbers above, 7,14,21,28,35,49, 49 is the shemitah AND the Yovel. Because if I relate it to the weekly cycle the 7th day is the shabbat, so the 7th shemitah is the yovel. It follows the pattern.

Why would the shabbat be calculated 6 days work/7th rest, the shemitah be calculated 6yrs work/7th rest, but the yovel be calculated 6yrs work/7th year rest/8th year rest & rejoice? It does not follow the pattern, nor does God define the yovel rest for the land as an 'added' day to the cycle. If he did then we wouldn't be having this discussion, no?

But, I do think the key in this is the three years provision, and the eighth day sowing. These things rule out an 8th year yovel shabbat after the 7th year shemitah.

Im enjoying reading this post...but have not contributed much because well I dont know enough to contribute much....but in reading this post and thinking of why 8th and provision of three....
The sabbath week is about rest in His finished work
The sabbath year is about rest in the liberty he has provided
The Jubilee year is about rest in the inheritance he has provided.
Would this be of importance to the current conversation?

 

[Shimshon]

Im enjoying reading this post...but have not contributed much because well I dont know enough to contribute much....but in reading this post and thinking of why 8th and provision of three....
The sabbath week is about rest in His finished work
The sabbath year is about rest in the liberty he has provided
The Jubilee year is about rest in the inheritance he has provided.
Would this be of importance to the current conversation?

An interesting connection about providing three years, yes. But liberty is associated with the jubilee year not the shemitah. Thank you for your particiaption. I don't think any of us have this completely understood, which is why I am engaging in this thread. It's ten times better than struggling in a thread where someone thinks they know what you need to understand.

I'll be the first to admit that I am working this out as we speak. I'm only seeking to help each other as we all try to understand something. So thank's for your input!

 

[rick357]

An interesting connection about providing three years, yes. But liberty is associated with the jubilee year not the shemitah. Thank you for your particiaption. I don't think any of us have this completely understood, which is why I am engaging in this thread. It's ten times better than struggling in a thread where someone thinks they know what you need to understand.

I'll be the first to admit that I am working this out as we speak. I'm only seeking to help each other as we all try to understand something. So thank's for your input!

It is maybe the wrong word...I was thinking about letting one that sold himself as your servent who was an Israelite go free in the seventh year...and a families inheratance in the land being released back to them in the fifty

 

[Shimshon]

I know farmers who do not harvest on the sabbath year and who reap more in six years than their neighbors.

That sounds to me like God favors and blesses those who observe 'more than' those who don't. I don't think that is the idea behind the shabbat or the shemitah.

Look at this:

Lev 25
3 For six years you shall sow your field, and for six years you shall prune your vineyard and gather in its fruits,

4 but in the seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of solemn rest for the land, a Sabbath to the LORD. You shall not sow your field or prune your vineyard. 5You shall not reap what grows of itself in your harvest, or gather the grapes of your undressed vine. It shall be a year of solemn rest for the land.

6 The Sabbath of the land shall provide food for you, for yourself and for your male and female slaves and for your hired servant and the sojourner who lives with you, 7 and for your cattle and for the wild animals that are in your land: all its yield shall be for food.
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Verse six says the land shall provide food for you during the shemitah. My questions are; how does the land rest when it provides? Which land is resting? I would think 'your' means your personal lands, your farm so to speak. So there were 'lands' that were not for 'sowing, reaping and harvesting' within 'the land' that were to provide food for all.

I also noticed a direct correlation between the giving of the shemitah here and the giving of the shabbat in Ex 16. Both have God providing food on the seventh day. Both deal with 'provision'. (so rick I would have included provision in the shabbat week description ) Both say that God will provide food (life) himself on the seventh day.

And this reminds me of how we are to 'rest' in Messiah and not do our own works but let him work through us. He is our shabbat rest. He is the one who provides our food, his Word within our heart. We do not do our own works, we let Messiah work through us. The Father is working even now, and so is Messiah. He is feeding the people on the seventh day.

Meaning, resting in him as mentioned by the apostles is connected to the shabbat, the shemitah and the yovel. Meaning that studying these things will reveal a more clearer picture of what Messiah is doing in the world and in us. I think.

 

[Shimshon]

It is maybe the wrong word...I was thinking about letting one that sold himself as your servent who was an Israelite go free in the seventh year...and a families inheratance in the land being released back to them in the fifty

I wasn't aware that the shemitah had any releasing of debt's and property. I believe this only happens in the yovel. From my understanding the shemitah only deals with the land having it's rest.

 

[Shimshon]

The jubilee year was for releasing debt's and returning to ones property. And this makes utter sense then that the dates the yovel fall on will have extreme ramifications for Yisrael, both people and land.. And maybe the reason America is seemingly connected to the happenings of the shemitah is that we have been the place where most of Yisrael has wandered during the exile. No, maybe every place where God's people go they are affected by the shemitah, and so are the nations they have been scattered to? That seem's more likely. The reason world events happen on the shemitah is because God's children have been scattered into all the world?

So if the shemitah is doing this, what will the yovel do? But return Yisrael to her land! Or bring more judgment upon the nations because 'this debt will be restored, the land will be redeemed'. Liberty will be proclaimed, freedom will come, restoration will occur! o.k. getting passionatly off track.

 

[rick357]

I wasn't aware that the shemitah had any releasing of debt's and property. I believe this only happens in the yovel. From my understanding the shemitah only deals with the land having it's rest.

In my mind I was relating letting an israelite servent go free after six years service with sabbath year sorry
As to the count it is possible it is both the 49th and 50th in this way...complete years-living years -begining year by counting in this way the seventh day is the eighth and the first...same with years seventh completed is eighth living and first in new count in this way at forty nine forty nine are complete you are living in fifty and it is the first of the new cycle............for maybe clarity if you dont see what Im getting at...if you ask me how old I am I say forty four but this is how many years Ive completed...every day after my birthday I am living in my fourty fifth year
Three years harvest on sixth covers seven eight and nine living years as even when I plant again it will take almost a year to harvest.

 

[NannaNae]

I like your humor! Here in the PNW we have tree-farms galore, the whole forest looks like a patchwork quilt (and I cry). My personal answer? What I emphasised tells me you are planting to harvest. If I held to Torah in this case I would treat it just as a cultivating field because that is exactly what your doing with it on your property. Your planting to cultivate your produce on your land. According to Torah you would not be allowed to work it on shabbats, shemitahs, and yovels. If you were poor with no land or produce to store up you would be allowed to wander into other's property and eat what they laid fallow, and you would be allowed to eat any wild friut you found. But your own land must rest from your working it.

Now, try and accomodate this in America! There are no truely 'public' lands, all are 'owned' either by individuals, companies, or the government. So in your case, having your own property and harvestable crops you would not be 'poor' and would not qualilfy to wander into your neighbors land and get food there, that is stealing. You would not be able to eat from government lands because you need a permit to harvest wild herbs and fruit. I know, I was into organic herabal products running my own business years back. We used hand-crafted wild herbs, not corporate grown.

We are not in 'the land' so we can not apply the Torah that deals with the land. This is the curse of exile, and why every shemitah we have to deal with the curse of NOT being able to observe it. Instead of resetting things, proclaiming liberty, and resting peacefully in the land, we are continuing our exile, remaining bound by our sins, and bear a Torah that can not be accomplished because of our refusal to obey God's commands.

This is also why Yeshua is our shabbat rest. In him we have our blessings of the shemitah, outside of him we have the curse of exile. Where the shemitah reflects the curse of our rejection. What was to be our rest has become our chaos. And only has repreive under the cover of Yeshua, who keeps us till the day of our redemption. He is our shemitah, our yovel who we rest in.

I definitly see God working in his seven year cycles. It's scarily awesome!

so legally , ( and yes I know I am under grace and if I am hungry I will eat because Sabbath is made for man ) so if I don't harvest or make money on it till next Sabbath can I harvest it then ?

I ask that because i suspect Now he made me plant it for such a time , that it was planted for such a time and I but planted it to eat. so strangely I am wondering if there is some ideas about what to do with it until it is needed ..
I mean if we make money from it we draw attention to it.. if we claim it/ expenses on taxes we draw attention to it.. right..
so was it for us or for another time and we need to let it go wild instead..see that is the real reason for my questioning the
laws of it..
because we might should pretend it doesn't exists until it is needed.
and of course I won't be able to keep the kids out of it ,playing and eating as they go.. but maybe not make money with it.
our plan was to HOOP the figs and sell figs after retirement which is around 7-10 years and let them establish good roots until we need them and greenhouse or hoop them . our son contemplates hooping them now to start selling them. but someone just gave him control of a 5 acres of very old huge mature magness pears orchard to sell the pears so he has a huge project now.. almost 100 old pear trees..

and the other wild trees we planted on the property those I listed are for wind breaks and such to protect the hoop houses , . but we could be harvest the wind break rows in the bad times. that is of course is OUR plan....
but I was wonder if there is another plan afoot..
and Yes I too suspect that the next 7 years might be real interesting ... but my trees are still babies now .. but in 7 years most of them will be looking really yummy good.. anyone up for smoked fish and dried fruits when there is nothing in the stores?