Sabbath From Creation

[EastCoastRemnant]

For those of you that don't believe the Sabbath was instituted from creation but was only given at Mt Sinai, how do you explain that the Israelites kept the Sabbath after the Exodus before arriving at Mt Sinai? If this was something new to them, how did Moses know beforehand what the Sabbath was and how to keep it? Of all the accounts of the murmurings of the Israelites, why was there no record of them complaining about this strange new rule, especially after some had been killed for violating it? Would God so punish someone before they even knew about this Law?

 

[Section10]

The earliest use of the word Sabbath in my concordance is Exodus 16 where Moses is instructing about collecting manna. A long time after creation. It doesn't seem like a very well developed Sabbath since they were expected to work twice as hard on Friday so they could get Saturday off. Moses knew about the Sabbath from the same place he knew about the manna. And why would the Israelites complain about having a day to kick back and do nothing? As far as God killing, if God made a day for me why would he kill me if I slipped up and transgressed it? I'd have been better off if he'd just skipped the whole thing. Besides, Gentiles are without the law. I can remember when I became a Christian, but I've never been able to recall when I became an old testament Jew.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The earliest use of the word Sabbath in my concordance is Exodus 16 where Moses is instructing about collecting manna. A long time after creation.

Abraham was said to have kept the law... which law would that have been?

It doesn't seem like a very well developed Sabbath since they were expected to work twice as hard on Friday so they could get Saturday off.

So God kinda messed up in this point, huh?

Moses knew about the Sabbath from the same place he knew about the manna.

So, in your estimation, Moses was revealed the Law just ahead of time and let slip with part of it before the big reveal at My Sinai?

And why would the Israelites complain about having a day to kick back and do nothing?

You obviously don't understand the true purpose of the Sabbath... it is not a day of idleness but a day to worship and pay homage to our Creator and to gather to edify one another.

As far as God killing, if God made a day for me why would he kill me if I slipped up and transgressed it? I'd have been better off if he'd just skipped the whole thing.

It's not all about us... it's about humbling ourselves and obeying Him because He is our God and we are His Israel.

Besides, Gentiles are without the law.

Can you tell me what other Commandments you regularly break, seeing as you are not under the Law? Why does stealing and committing adultery seem wrong to you? You are a Gentile, not a Jew, right?

I can remember when I became a Christian, but I've never been able to recall when I became an old testament Jew.

Do you remember when you vowed to walk as He walked and to go wither soever the Lamb should go?...
Didn't Jesus keep the Law? Did He tell you not to?

 

[Section10]

Since I am not under the law I do not concern myself with it. Jesus broke the Sabbath. John 5:18.
We all have the knowledge of good & evil since Adam. That was Abraham's and mankind's law.
Sabbath doesn't show up in scripture until Exodus 16 and it was for the Jews.
Also see Deut. 5:1-3 and 7:11.
The only vow I made was to trust God. I'll leave all the extra vows up to you.

 

[k4c]

Since I am not under the law I do not concern myself with it. Jesus broke the Sabbath. John 5:18.
We all have the knowledge of good & evil since Adam. That was Abraham's and mankind's law.
Sabbath doesn't show up in scripture until Exodus 16 and it was for the Jews.
Also see Deut. 5:1-3 and 7:11.
The only vow I made was to trust God. I'll leave all the extra vows up to you.

Does the fact that God says marriage is holy, sanctified and blessed mean anything to you?

Does the fact that God says the seventh day is holy, sanctifid and blessed mean anything to you?

Both were established at creation before sin or Jew existed.

 

[JohnMarsten]

For those of you that don't believe the Sabbath was instituted from creation but was only given at Mt Sinai, how do you explain that the Israelites kept the Sabbath after the Exodus before arriving at Mt Sinai? If this was something new to them, how did Moses know beforehand what the Sabbath was and how to keep it? Of all the accounts of the murmurings of the Israelites, why was there no record of them complaining about this strange new rule, especially after some had been killed for violating it? Would God so punish someone before they even knew about this Law?

questions, questions, questions,.//..

why is this verse in the bible:

You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses. Nehemiah 9:14

correct me If I am wrong but according to this text they were made familiar with the sabbaths through Moses, or at least so does the prophet of God speak...

 

[k4c]

questions, questions, questions,.//..

why is this verse in the bible:

You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses. Nehemiah 9:14

correct me If I am wrong but according to this text they were made familiar with the sabbaths through Moses, or at least so does the prophet of God speak...

You have to remember that God's people were in bondage for hundreds of years. They had been heavily influenced by the ways of paganism. God was bringing a people back to Himself, a people He could call His own and they could say He is their God. The Sabbath was one way God calls people out of the world. It identifies a people who is set apart by God. When people remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy, people around them knew which God they we're serving. It's the same way today. All the Law was given to the world through God's chosen people as a means to establish a holy nation and royal priesthood a people God could call His own. The Law, or the ways of God, came through Moses. It was a battle for God to train up a stubborn, hard hearted people. This training up of a people took a system of blessing and cursing. You break God's Law, you pay the price. With Jesus came grace and truth. Grace because we broke and break God's Law and truth that revealed the true meaning and purpose of God's Law. We all know the will of God for His people that was expressed in God's Law now just do it. Not to avoid punishment or to receive blessings, as under the way, but rather, because it's right in the eyes of our God.

 

[Section10]

K4c
God blessed everything he did in creation including mankind and the 7th day. The 7th day of creation is long passed. So if a man violated the 7th day he died. Sounds like God valued the 7th day more than mankind. Finally in Exodus 16 the Sabbath shows up with all kinds of rules as to its observance or else you die.
I see all kinds of marriages that don't look too holy or sanctified to me. Marriage is only holy if you choose to make it so. This is not a part of the 10C anyway, so I see no relationship to this discussion. And the law only applies to you if you choose to apply it. I choose not to. The law is certainly in place. It didn't go anywhere. But I did. I slipped right out from underneath it.
In Genesis 17:13&14 God made circumcision into an everlasting covenant long before Moses and we all know how that turned out and in the NT I see more evidence of releasing Christians from the law than I do releasing us from the covenant of circumcision. Who has bewitched you?

 

[tall73]

Moses knew about the Sabbath from the same place he knew about the manna.

Makes sense.

 

[tall73]

If this was something new to them, how did Moses know beforehand what the Sabbath was and how to keep it?

If Moses knew about it whey did they wait until then to do it? Go look at the time references and you will see it was more than one week out of Egypt that this was done.

 

[tall73]

Passover was instituted before Sinai. Yet it was integrated into the law.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Passover was instituted before Sinai. Yet it was integrated into the law.

It was integrated into the CEREMONIAL law... I know you guys are intelligent enough to know the difference between the two....

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

why is this verse in the bible:

You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses. Nehemiah 9:14

correct me If I am wrong but according to this text they were made familiar with the sabbaths through Moses, or at least so does the prophet of God speak...

Lets break down the verse you just quoted...

The first part says that the Israelites had the Sabbath made known to them... in order for something to be made known it already is, just not acknowledged. If a lawyer contacts me and says he is making known to me that i have received an inheritance, what is the new aspect? Not the inheritance but my knowledge of it. Thesaurus.com lists the term 'made known as: acknowledge, publicize, uncover, unveil

The last part of the verse it says that God gave the Israelites commands laws and decrees through Moses. Notice that the two are seperated by the word 'and', meaning the two are distinct. The Sabbath was not included in the commands, laws and decrees, the ceremonial statutes and laws.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

To those that don't think that seventh day weekly Sabbath was instituted from creation, why would God included the creation account in Exodus 20:11?

 

[JRSut1000]

It seems the topic of the Sabbath is a really hot topic here on the forum in various threads, but today's notion of grace seems to cover over everything - including common sense!

-Yes, the Sabbath began in the creation story (Genesis obviously)
-Yes, it was confirmed that we should follow it in Torah (Exodus 20 - 10 commandments)
-Yes, we should still do it today (Hebrews 4 does not reject the 7th day Sabbath, but establish it).

 

[tall73]

It was integrated into the CEREMONIAL law... I know you guys are intelligent enough to know the difference between the two....

A. You have no text saying that the ten are the "moral" law. So no, we are not intelligent enough to know that. There are moral elements in the rest of the law as well.

B. Something that was given prior was incorporated into the law, which was the point I was demonstrating.

C. You made no comment on the fact that this was more than one week after they left Egypt. Yet Moses is introducing the sabbath here.

 

[JRSut1000]

Why do people get so hung up on Moral Law, Adamic Law, Noahic Law, Mosaic Law, ceremonial Law, etc? Most of these terms are not even in the Scriptures. If God said it, do it. Plain. Simple. "Just do it!"

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Why do people get so hung up on Moral Law, Adamic Law, Noahic Law, Mosaic Law, ceremonial Law, etc? Most of these terms are not even in the Scriptures. If God said it, do it. Plain. Simple. "Just do it!"

Because the scripture clearly says that the laws and festivals instituted through Moses, pointing forward to Christ, were fulfilled in Him and no longer necessary. The ten Commandments were instituted before sin and so have no fulfilment, they are eternal.

 

[k4c]

Passover was instituted before Sinai. Yet it was integrated into the law.

Passover was instituted as a result of sin the seventh day Sabbath wasn't.

 

[JohnMarsten]

It was integrated into the CEREMONIAL law... I know you guys are intelligent enough to know the difference between the two....

... and I know you are dumb enough...

I told you once not use to that cheap manipulative force, doesnt make you any more convincing...