Rules adjustment

ByTheSpirit said:

Very respectfully this is no where near correct... besides it misses the greater point that water baptism is commanded to be done but this thread is not the place for that discussion... care to join my peanut gallery thread to discuss it? seriously

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murjahel said:

The rule defines what a thread can and cannot say... a thread is closed not at my veto, but at the disobedience to the rule on teaching that water baptism is mandatory for salvation...

this a quote still in an open thread, that this person above says if closed he will start another thread and say the same things... is that going to be allowed, Edial??

read what he said there:

We have seen from other passages that faith must accompany baptism for baptism to be effective:

1 Peter 3:21 English Standard Version (ESV)

21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Let's break down this last verse from Peter to gain a better understanding of what he is writing to us. You see if you remove the portions contained within the commas (which are added only to give a brief explanation) we get this:

Baptism... now saves you... through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It is through your faith in Jesus as the Son of God (Romans 1:4) that we are saved in baptism. This is what Jesus was saying in Mark 16:16 (quoted above). Those who BELIEVE & are BAPTIZED will be saved...

But what about the other half of the scripture, doesn't that prove only belief is necessary?

Not quite. You see, if someone doesn't believe then nothing can save them. Baptism alone doesn't save you. That is why Jesus left baptism out of that last half the equation.

Also, what does the scripture say is necessary? Let's not focus on what is not, but what Jesus says is.

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved"

Again, Jesus says salvation comes to those who:

1) Believe
&
2) are baptized.
That is the scripture.​

Those statements break the rule we are discussing... Why are we allowing blatant rebellion against it, now... and why has this above quote not been deleted with the rest of his supportive teachings trying to prove this errant idea?

The baptism that saves, mentioned by Peter, is the spiritual baptism that occurs at salvation. The water baptism is the symbolic testimony to what happened at salvation to be portrayed for a witness, not the actual saving feature, but a representation of it.

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Edial said:

Murjahel, PLEASE read what he said.

He said if the thread is closed he will open another one.

This does NOT mean he is planning on breaking rules.
This means he wants to continue discussing water baptism.

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