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Mmmm...could that maybe come under "works", where some people simply find it too hard to work at not being unfaithful.Isn't say, not committing adultery seen as obedience? Honouring your parents?
You are correct.
However, the word "disobey" relates to a general disobedience to Christ, not only in one or two things.
Not everyone can turn the other cheek.
This in itself will not disqualify one from Heaven.
Disobedience is a lifestyle.
No....
I wonder . . . does CF expect that all their mods etc are water baptised - I know, I'm a bad boy, I will have to go away and "light a candle"!!
Salvation without works is no salvation at all because salvation is seen by works.
However, one is saved when just the buds of the fruit are seen, not the whole fruit - the branches and the vine (John 15).
God sees the good works within our confessional soul once we believe - these are the buds of the fruit.
Deathbed conversions bear an immediate fruit (works) ... that only God sees.
You are correct.Being baptized is not obedience.
One can be obedient and be baptized without the foggiest idea of why they did it except for..........................
One is baptized recognizing the purpose for it.
To be buried with Christ and raised in newness of life.
Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. KJV
Yes, some in a more conservative Lutheran churches would baptize infants only on certain Sundays and never during Lent.That's really interesting, I hadn't realised this.
Matthew 28 the great commission.What particular scripture are you referencing?
Even though my remark was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as CF adheres to the Nicene Creed, then I guess that this would be with the original 325AD edition and not with the revised 381AD update which states:No.
We expect all of our staff are Christians who believe the Nicene Creed.
Excellent question.Even though my remark was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as CF adheres to the Nicene Creed, then I guess that this would be with the original 325AD edition and not with the revised 381AD update which states:"In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen".Does this mean that CF are saying that water baptism is necessary for salvation? I know, I know, I will now have to go and light another candle - I'm starting to quickly run out of them.
Even though my remark was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as CF adheres to the Nicene Creed, then I guess that this would be with the original 325AD edition and not with the revised 381AD update which states:
"In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen".Does this mean that CF are saying that water baptism is necessary for salvation? I know, I know, I will now have to go and light another candle - I'm starting to quickly run out of them.
You made mention of the Nicene Creed back in your recent thread on baptism which absolutely none of us (I mean absolutely zilch) chose to respond to. Of course we can also add in the dreaded Filioque addition which saw the separation of the Eastern and Western Churches.ZzZzZing!
The regenerative work of Holy Spirit gives us life once we believe.Define what you mean by works.
The only "work" required for being saved is the corresponding action of faith.
In some form a person hears the message of Jesus.
They believe.
The corresponding "work" is confessing Him before people.
Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
KJV
Paul said it here.
2 Cor 4:13
We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
KJV
Yes, Jesus IS great.True, I don't see singular instances of slipping as meeting what Paul wrote. It really comes down to something I can not see, their heart.
Sometimes the loudest amens and hallelujahs come from people that may not even enter heaven, while the ones we are sure will not may be the first ones in.
I don't mean to sound critical of people, I know I (like Apollos) need to work on my approach, but what matters to me is people following Jesus. Isnt he great?!
Okay, even though my posts are becoming somewhat light-hearted, your view that "Salvation is that spiritual baptism" has certainly gained some attention over the years; even though it certainly provides a way around the obligatory need for water baptism (after someone has been born again of the Spirit), it has seemingly been dismissed by probably virtually all Biblical scholars. Years back I looked at this view as an option but eventually I had to fall in line with the accepted position.where that reference is in the Bible refers to the 'spiritual baptism into the death of Christ for our death...' Salvation is that spiritual baptism. Water baptism is the symbolic testimony of what happened there... so the Nicene Creed does not teach the necessity of having to have the shadow of the reality to be saved... The reality of being baptized into Christ happened the moment we accepted Jesus, and that could have been in a waterless desert... on a battlefield dying of a wound, ... the spiritual baptism into His death is only demonstrated by a later (moments or years later) in water baptism
Well, we can either do thread cleanups or close and start again.after it is settled, one more question...
when the rule is stated, and defined as to what it has always meant, are posts and threads that have broken that rule going to be closed due to having taught it wrong??? I vote yes, for those threads were breaking this rule...
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