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Mostly I agree he was emphasizing the importance of family. The problem is when he tied it to the past as being the last America was great. Why was it great then but slavery and not great now but family?
It's a poor message of impression that contrasts family and slavery;
as if it's better to have slavery of some for most to have family.
Then there's the sexual harassment allegations;
I heard one of his defenses was he didn't recall if he did it (sexually harass an underage girl).
I hope it's all misunderstanding and misinformation; but I doubt it.
He seems to be a Trump-like character with very serious flaws.
I don't have a problem with his comment.
On just one aspect, I can look back in American history when families took care of their own and embraced independence, compared to today when millions have shirked away from taking care of their own, rejecting independence and opted to be government dependents....
That was not my impression of his message.
His message was nothing of the sort.
Noted. Accusations, via news media. Huh? Why didn't they file their claims in a court? 11, 40 years ago?
Do you recall on such and such a date 40 years ago asking some person for a date? lol
And BTW, what "sexually harassment" laws were there 40 years ago? humm...
Good grief, back then people hugged, touched, kissed, winked, accepted rides from strangers, said hey baby to strangers, and I doubt they started a conversation with, how old are you.
Why?
I don't....
Because their testimony is in the gossip/opinion newspaper columns and not court records under oath.
Serious flaws? Men who like attractive females? And that is out of character for most men? Doubt it.
God Bless,
SBC
Moore has a history of racially insensitive remarks. At the very same event reported by the Los Angeles Times, he referred to Native Americans and and Asian Americans as “reds and yellows.” Prior to that, he compared the Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage to the decision that effectively denied black people citizenship. He has questioned whether former President Barack Obama was born in the US. And he previously argued that Muslims should not be allowed to serve in Congress.
Yes, there is a slight inaccuracy in that post's reporting of what Trump said. However, it is not so egregious, especially when we consider the ubiquity these days of "imply then deny" - the remark from Trump was calculated to let white supremacists know that he was with them in spirit, while allowing him plausible deniability.
As to the "winner" post, two things:
-I do believe that one can agree with a "foreigner" and that this shows no disloyalty
yes, there is a slight inaccuracy in that post's reporting of what Trump said.
the remark from Trump was calculated to let white supremacists know that he was with them in spirit, while allowing him plausible deniability.
When the core values of a society asserts that God put those with a darker complexion on earth to live in bondage as slaves, all the strong united family ties in the world are "window dressing" - given that "the ends never justify the means!"
@SBC From observing such groups online for a long time, I hold the opinion that their claims about preserving history are not genuine. They are a cover. The real purpose is to show sympathy for the practice of slavery and to cause modern-day African Americans / black Americans to live in fear.
The white supremacist model is simple: if blacks are on the bottom, and I am white, then at least I am not on the bottom.
These statues hardly tell a story. Without knowledge of the Civil War from books and primary sources, they would be meaningless. Their removal in no way removes knowledge of the Civil War. I agree with your implied statement that knowledge of US history should be greater. But if statues are to be the method of education, let us round things out a bit. For every statue of a confederate officer, put up a statue a stone's throw away of a slave family being broken up. Or of one of the free or slave blacks who contributed in a noteworthy way to this country's history. I will definitely sign that agreement with any white supremacist.
Further, a note about race. You are right, I think, that there is too great a focus on race at times today. However. The very concept of black and white in this country is a product of the practice of slavery. Dark people could be rounded up as escaped slaves even if they were not - and sold or "returned". Solidly "white" folks could not. The very terms of black and white and their connotations today are a "monument" to our history. Therefore, eliminating such terms is similar to removing the statues.
From observing such groups online for a long time, I hold the opinion that their claims about preserving history are not genuine.
The white supremacist model is simple: if blacks are on the bottom, and I am white, then at least I am not on the bottom.
These statues hardly tell a story.
Without knowledge of the Civil War from books and primary sources, they would be meaningless.And everyone in any US state is educated in American History ?
I doubt that.
put up a statue a stone's throw away of a slave family being broken up.Your point?
Slaves have a statue sitting on their land ?
Slavery has not ended?
The very concept of black and white in this country is a product of the practice of slavery.
The slavery topic is almost unanimously about
Black people wanting to not be reminded of their ancestors bondage or wanting it to be remembered if it means descendants of slaves might get financial gain.
The race {and hate }topic is almost unanimously about one claiming another disagrees with the other based on race or hate.
Dark people could be rounded up as escaped slaves even if they were not - and sold or "returned". Solidly "white" folks could not. The very terms of black and white and their connotations today are a "monument" to our history. Therefore, eliminating such terms is similar to removing the statues.
Anyone regardless of time in American History could be and can still be rounded up for being suspected of violation of a law, regardless of race.
Should we rip down every reminder of American History because someone might be offended?
Why? Because being offended is against the law?
God Bless,
SBC
Not the best way to promote family values. Though it's true the past had more stable families, it needs to be related to the present. A message of family values that doesn't look back; but makes it clear it's about what benefits society as a whole, including other benefits gained.
Also I don't understand the support for him. Every time I read something about him, it's never good. He easily could had said the 1980's/90's when we had conservative resurgence and economic boom. Even could had said the 1950's/1960's before the decline of family. The latter would been more defensible within the context of family values itself. Odd to think we'd need to go all the way back to the days of slavery to been great or had families.
@SBC - you didn't really address most of my post.
However, I will reply as I am able.
I do not think Obama was a good president.
However, because a black person had never held the highest elected office in the US and it seemed to have social import, it is not insane or foul to me that Obama ever mentioned it.
Trump, to my knowledge, has not been called a racist for "acknowledging white people." He has been called a racist for appearing to sympathize with openly racist white supremacists.
Maybe I am clueless, but I didn't call Trump a racist. I know you think I did, but look at the post of mine that you quoted. I didn't.You are clueless. You claim Trump is a "racist" because he "sympathizes" with "openly racist white supremacists". You obviously don't look at independent news sources, or you wouldn't say something so blatantly false. All that Trump said is that there were some good people at the unite the right rally, and there likely were. It's not saying that all in attendance were good. The original meeting, if I'm not mistaken, was simply a traditional conservative meet, but infiltrators, many probably plants from the Democrat Party, surrounded the outsides of the park to make it look like a klan meeting.
Trump allowed a black woman to live in Trump tower for years, rent-free, as I've heard.
Trump kissed a black child in hurricane shelters.
Trump has invited black clergy to pray with him.
Trump has continuously spoken about trying to improve the economic prospects for all Americans.
Trump has stated that better policing in the inner cities to help the communities is what he is trying to do.
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