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I am an nurse and work in very small pain management center. Our group is very small - about 8 of us. That's all. I am the only Christian. I know that my presence creates restraints in the group. The can be VERY vulgar at times. These are not children. Ages range from 24 -55. All adults and very ungodly.

I sense that my manager (not a very good one) might want me to leave so they can act like they want to! I don't go to lunch with them much anymore because they talk vulgar and curse. When I am around they all seem to hold back - and of course, they don't want to.

One of the girls used to be a friend - I thought. Now she runs with one of the other girls who dotes on her and has turned her back on me.

My struggle is that often I let their behavior and remarks to me bother me. I am a Christian but I have feelings. Sometimes I dont' know how to cope with being a Christian in a heathen workplace.

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Hi Lucy,

First off, I just wanted you to know that I did read your post.

I feel for you and do understand what you're going through. In most places where I have worked, I have been faced with ungodliness, vulgarity, swearing, cursing, etc. Unfortunately, I think there are few work places where one cannot here cursing and witness ungodliness.

However, you seem to be extremely lonely in your workplace. Rejected even. I have not been rejected that way in my jobs but the swearing, cursing and ungodliness is always very very difficult to stand. Sometimes, I can bearly stand the dirty language, blashemy.. it's very hard when you're God-fearing and seek holiness.

Pray to the Lord to show you His Will. Is that really the place where you must work? If so, He shall give you the strenght to work there and endure all that you are enduring.

The way your co-workers react towards you is indeed persecution. I'm really sorry you're going through this.

I'll be :prayer: for you.

Pax Christi,

Caroline :)
 
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The world hates us.:sigh: No big deal. It hated our Lord and Savior. Look for a better job and PRAY with us that the Lord will move you. Meanwhile, be sweet and nice and never late and clean up after the slobs. This will heap coals of fire on their heads! i am a 54 year old man and have the same troubles every day in a government job. :D DO have opportunities to witness - one-on-one - and the LORD will open the door for you too. Never know whether the Good Shepherd has His sheep who will get saved because of your silent testimony. They are watching you.:holy:
 
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Lucy, I'm so sorry to hear what you are going through at your work place. I've been working in such an environment before and once, my superior wanted me to pay back some bad debts. Praise be to God that I've found a job quick enough to leave such a place. They talk nothing that is relating to God but things that are ungodly.

On top of that, I used to be a member in one of the club (club name not to be mentioned). Initially, I like the way this club operates and the people are quite friendly. During the club meetings, they use a lot of vulgar words and they find it so easy to swear at the same time. It's like its part of their lifes.

Until one day when I joined them for a project, I find that they are not only swearing or using vulgar words but they are even talking about "beating" people up like gangsters. I was very shocked with the way they spoke and guess what, one of them was a Christian. Though he wasn't following God seriously but, what type of testimony is he showing to the non-Christians? I prayed and I finally left the club.

Hence, like what the others had said, pray and ask God to show you whether this is the place where He wants you to be. Even if God were to say that you should continue to stay on in this workplace, pray and ask God to bless them all. In my previous workplace, apart from the paying of the bad debts, there were other things that made me feel so scared to go back to work and each day, I'll ask God to bless them (I will mention each of their names).

Ask God to touch their lives and you as a Christian, you shouldn't let go of your temper even though you are not happy with them. They are watching every steps that you are taking and these people always find that, we, Christians are an awful bunch of people.

I'll be :prayer: for you at the same time. ;)
 
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lucyv said:
I am an nurse and work in very small pain management center. Our group is very small - about 8 of us. That's all. I am the only Christian. I know that my presence creates restraints in the group. The can be VERY vulgar at times. These are not children. Ages range from 24 -55. All adults and very ungodly.

I sense that my manager (not a very good one) might want me to leave so they can act like they want to! I don't go to lunch with them much anymore because they talk vulgar and curse. When I am around they all seem to hold back - and of course, they don't want to.

One of the girls used to be a friend - I thought. Now she runs with one of the other girls who dotes on her and has turned her back on me.

My struggle is that often I let their behavior and remarks to me bother me. I am a Christian but I have feelings. Sometimes I dont' know how to cope with being a Christian in a heathen workplace.

Help.
You have several options and the law is on your side. You have the power in this case, but you don't know it. In America there are federal and state statutes written specifically to protect religious people from such harrassment... even if the offender claims that there is no anti-religious intent. These laws require the employer to provide you with a "non-hostile workplace."

The same applies to sexual harrassment which also is the case here. You see courts have held that the offense is in the eye of the beholder -- that is, you, as victim. It means that if you perceive their profane language as religious harrassment, and complain to management, and management does not correct the problem of a hostile workplace, then may sue.

If management says other emplyees had no hostile intent and that you are too sensitive, then management loses. That is utterly no defense against the charge of a hostile workplace. The burden of proof would be upon management to prove to a judge that either listening to profanity is an essential part of your work (no way!), or management must prove that baning profanity in the workplace would create such an undue hardship upon the business that it would be too costly to implement (still no way!).

I am not advising either for or against getting a lawyer and suing if management rejects your requests. That is your choice. I am only informing you that you have control of the situation. You are in the driver's seat. You can stop this in a few moments if you care to do so.

Here is how:
Prepare a letter. Tell management in your letter that you are the victim of both sexual and religious hostility in the workplace, that you have asked the offending workers to stop, and that they have not stopped, and that you have appealed to management (name the managers) and that they replied (quote their reply for the record). Tell that they have two days to correct the situation. Ask them for the name of their attorney and insurance providers (for errors and omissions insurance and liabitlity insurance).

Tell them in the letter that they are inviolation of both state and federal laws protecting workers from religious and sexual harrassment and that they have allowed a hostile workplace enviornment to exist. Tell them that you suspect you are not the only one over a period of years to have been the victim of sexual and religious hostility at this workplace, and that if you have to get an attorney, you intend to find one or two others who have been harrassed, and together you will constitute an "aggrieved class". (That means you can sue en masse for every one in very large case. Their lawyer will realize where this is going.)

Tell them that it will be a violation of state and federal law to punish you by giving you bad performance reviews, demotions, unpleasant assignments, bad hours, passing over for pay raises and bonuses and any other punitive action because you compained about the hostile workplace enviornment that they allowed to exist in violation of state and federal laws. Tell them you are not asking for damages or compensation if the matter can be resolved and that you are willing to agree not to sue for past damage provided they agree to certain conditions.

Here are the conditions:

1. All present and future employees are warned that profanity and obcenity are banned at the workplace. Violation of the ban will be grounds for dismissal.

2. If an employee complains that speech or behavior is profane or obscene and offensive, then the offending employee must stop indefinitely in the workplace.

3. Management must investigate and enforce these rules.

4. These rules must be read and signed by all new employees and copies kept in their employment records. These rules must be displayed in a prominent place in the office visible to all employees for a period of atleast ten years regardless of whether you remain employed with them.

5. If mangement should fail to comply, then employees are free to seek legal counsel to resolve the problem.

6. No employee reporting violations of these rules may be punished by low performance evaluations, early layoffs, denial of promotions, reassignment to poor shifts, or other harrassment or punishment as a result of the employee's report.

7. You or one of your agenst has the right to inspect the workplace without prior notice for ten for compliance. If the employer fails to post the rules and otherwise fails to comply for a period, then the employer will pay you a sum of money to be determined. Any expenses to you to collect that sum will be added to the amount they owe for each violation during the ten year period.

Suggest that the employer talk to his/her attorney and insurance providers before replying to you. (If the attorney is even marginally competent, he will realize the employer is drifting over Niagara Falls legally speaking and will advise him to settle.)

Sign and date the report in the presence of a notary. Your bank should provide a notary for you for free. Make several copies (outside of work).

This advice is based upon the assumption that your small pain management office is affiliated with a larger operation. Civil rights laws may or may not apply in your state to business having less that a certain number of employees. I suggest you consult an attorney first. Most attorneys will talk with you for free so you can atleast know the relevant state and federal laws first before you write anything.

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This would probably work immediately. What you do is your decision.

Some Christians would appeal to management and win. Others would appeal to management and be rejected. They may sue to make the workplace healthier for believers in Christ. Others may leave because they feel this is actually the Lord's way of leading them elsewhere. God bless you as you find his will.

Here are the links to various Christian, non-profit websites that prove free legal cousel to people like you... victims of religious persecution.
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/
http://www.christianlaw.org/
http://www.aclj.org/
http://www.thomasmore.org/
http://www.becketfund.org/
http://www.rutherford.org/
http://www.pacificjustice.org/
http://www.clsnet.org/
http://www.lc.org/
http://www.libertylegal.org/
http://www.hslda.org


If these websites know of Chrsitian affiliates in your area, you could consult one before writing your letter. He may advise you differently or create a custom letter on his/her letterhead.
 
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This is a difficult situation. The world is becoming more and more ungodly and not to acceptant of Christianity. Keep in mind that Jesus loves you and he will guide you through this difficult time.

Don't let the enemy bring you down. Just remember the Lord prepares a table for you in the presence of your enemies. Pray that guide will guide you through this.

Keep the faith.

God Bless.:bow: :bow:
 
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E said it.. Tough situation. I am somtimes stuck in a box about 10 feet by 10 feet with people like this so I know where you come from. I am usually only one on one with the person as only two of us work at the same time so I don't know if my information will help with a group like you are refering to.
What I do is keep a gleeful attitude and read my bible as much as I can. I do my jobs, and some, and help out in whatever way I can to make everyone elses job easier. By this people see something they want. I witness without really saying a word. Then they HAVE to ask about what makes me kind of different. Like I said this is only a one on one thing but in groups people are pressured differently and talk how they want so I hope maybe I have given an idea.
Just let Christ do the job and work in all you do as if it is for Him. Talk, act, and work as if He were right there with you and if they fire you move you or anything then God has something else ready for you. He will never punish you for letting Him work through you!

In love,
All4one:thumbsup:
 
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Objective analysis:

Instead of complaining and expecting others (the majority in this case) to conform to your idealogy, since they won't do it, and you'd be selfish and overdemanding to ask 8 people to change to conform to your guidelines, you have two options.

1. Shut up and deal with it.

2. Quit, and find a new job in an environment you can function in.
 
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I rejoice. For you suffer in the Lord's name. If you were not worthy of Him, then Satan wouldn't cast little stones at you.

Don't be sad....I know your pain. It's tough to be in a situation like that. But may be the Lord has something else in mind for you. If not another job, then surely you should be strengthened by the circumstance you are under. Perhaps He is preparing you for your destiny.

The Lord sees all and hears all. He's not overlooked the fact that you are standing steadfast for Him. He will surely reward you for having faith in Him.

Chin up. Stomach in. The Lord is with you. We stand with you, sis.
 
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Iggster said:
I rejoice. For you suffer in the Lord's name. If you were not worthy of Him, then Satan wouldn't cast little stones at you.

Don't be sad....I know your pain. It's tough to be in a situation like that. But may be the Lord has something else in mind for you. If not another job, then surely you should be strengthened by the circumstance you are under. Perhaps He is preparing you for your destiny.

The Lord sees all and hears all. He's not overlooked the fact that you are standing steadfast for Him. He will surely reward you for having faith in Him.

Chin up. Stomach in. The Lord is with you. We stand with you, sis.
Stop it! Cut it out!

This is persecution in Jesus' name, but it is OPTIONAL IN AMERICA!

You are persecuted in the workplace only if you allow it.

A hostile workplace for any reason is unlawful! You don't have to allow it unless you really want it to continue.

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My wife is a psych nurse. She sees alcoholic and drug addicted patients and their families a lot. One of the worst things you can do for a so-called "victim" is to enable them to continue being partners in their victimization. The same mental dynamic is at work in many cases of workplace persecution.

Some kinds of persecution cannot happen without our consent, and workplace persecution is an example. It is against the law. If you chose to stop it, you can and quite easily.

Your co-workers do not respect you... or your LORD. You can regain their respect for you and for your LORD by simply following the steps I've outlined elsewhere on this same thread.
 
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Sharp said:
Stop it! Cut it out!

This is persecution in Jesus' name, but it is OPTIONAL IN AMERICA!

You are persecuted in the workplace only if you allow it.

A hostile workplace for any reason is unlawful! You don't have to allow it unless you really want it to continue.


I have to disagree about this, based on my own convictions about what God says in scripture. I think the hostile workplace can be a golden opportunity, and we often miss blessing our enemies because we're focused on ourselves and our comforts.

I think of the saints who clearly had "rights" on their side and chose not to use them so God would be glorified. Jesus was tried unlawfully by the two most sophisticated judicial systems of His time, and He understood that they had been allowed a certain power over Him because God had allowed it. David had every right to not have spears thrown at him by a mad, ungodly king. What did he do when the persecution got too tough? He pretty quietly walked away.

I think we have to take the scriptures about being servants, considering ourselves least, and carrying our own cross very seriously. For God's sake, what will we do when REAL persecution comes if suffering others' foul language is so disturbing? I think that, in these situations, taking the focus off our own discomfort and fixing our aim on how God wants us to love others will probably bring much more peace. To find your life, you must lose it, right?

Bless those who persecute you; turn the other cheek; consider yourself least; be the last, and the servant of all.
 
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Davidatwaypointe said:
I have to disagree about this, based on my own convictions about what God says in scripture. I think the hostile workplace can be a golden opportunity, and we often miss blessing our enemies because we're focused on ourselves and our comforts.

I think of the saints who clearly had "rights" on their side and chose not to use them so God would be glorified. Jesus was tried unlawfully by the two most sophisticated judicial systems of His time, and He understood that they had been allowed a certain power over Him because God had allowed it. David had every right to not have spears thrown at him by a mad, ungodly king. What did he do when the persecution got too tough? He pretty quietly walked away.

I think we have to take the scriptures about being servants, considering ourselves least, and carrying our own cross very seriously. For God's sake, what will we do when REAL persecution comes if suffering others' foul language is so disturbing? I think that, in these situations, taking the focus off our own discomfort and fixing our aim on how God wants us to love others will probably bring much more peace. To find your life, you must lose it, right?

Bless those who persecute you; turn the other cheek; consider yourself least; be the last, and the servant of all.
Yes, I think you are right and I am wrong on this one. Perhaps I am merging two different situations. One is simple persecution as in this post. The other is restriction upon preaching the Gospel. Both are persecution, and both may or may not be unlawful depending upon circumstances.

I think we should resist the devil when he tries to censor our testimony for Christ. It is better to obey God rather than man. And perhaps there are times when we should just endure the persecution for a greater good. This is not always the case, and I believe there are times when God wants to stop persecution. This calls for great wisdom and sensitivity to the Spirit.

I thank you for your post and appreciate your prayers.
 
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Sharp said:
Yes, I think you are right and I am wrong on this one. Perhaps I am merging two different situations. One is simple persecution as in this post. The other is restriction upon preaching the Gospel. Both are persecution, and both may or may not be unlawful depending upon circumstances.

I think we should resist the devil when he tries to censor our testimony for Christ. It is better to obey God rather than man. And perhaps there are times when we should just endure the persecution for a greater good. This is not always the case, and I believe there are times when God wants to stop persecution. This calls for great wisdom and sensitivity to the Spirit.

I thank you for your post and appreciate your prayers.


I absolutely agree. Just as how we're supposed to obey our government, but also know when to disobey if we must. If I had been a Christian in Nazi-era Germany, for instance, I think I would have known what to do.

I have to say I really admire you, Sharp, for saying you felt you were wrong about this. Not because we're in agreement and so a certain part of my pride gets satisfied (I'm sure that's part of it, though), but just because it's a brave thing to be teachable. I don't know quite how to say that without it smacking of patronization, so I hope you'll measure out grace toward me and assume I mean it as kindly as I sincerely do.
 
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Yes, we may change the situation but if we always run from opportunity then we run from school, college, work, home, friends and maybe even family. The best turn around in a persecuting situation is going to be your attitude towards it, not the ability to run... that is only giving satan the territory instead of claiming it for God.

In Love,
All4one

Ps.. I agree with Sharp and David on this one... :thumbsup:
 
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