Oldmantook
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I think we both agree that the blood of Jesus is the sufficient atonement for sin. Our difference is whether Jesus' righteousness imputed to the believer. I have made my view clear citing the example of David where he had to confess his sin. If Jesus' righteousness is imputed to us, then all sin is forgiven - past, present and future. But as David's example demonstrates he had to first confess before being made right with God. Thus imputation cannot mean that we possess Christ's righteousness. Instead we must reckon/count ourselves dead to sin by DYING TO SIN in our lives. Do you agree with this or disagree?With regards to the definition of 'imputation', it is a book keepers term, as is atonement/reconciliation:
Atonement/Reconciliation (G2643 καταλλαγή katallagē) - 1. exchange; of the business of money-changers, exchanging equivalent values (Aristotle, others). (Thayer’s Lexicon)The corresponding Hebrew quoted by Paul, who is quoting Genesis 15:6, has the same basic meaning of imputed:
Account (-ed) (Verbs and Noun) (G3049 λογίζομαι logizomai): primarily signifies "to reckon," whether by calculation or imputation, e.g., Gal 3:6 (RV, "reckoned"); then, to deliberate, and so to suppose, "account," Rom 8:36; 14:14 (AV, "esteemeth"); Jhn 11:50; 1Cr 4:1; Hbr 11:19; (AV, "consider"); Act 19:27 ("made of no account;" AV, "despised"); 1Pe 5:12 (AV, "suppose"). It is used of love in 1Cr 13:5, as not taking "account" of evil, RV (AV, "thinketh"). In 2Cr 3:5 the Apostle uses it in repudiation of the idea that he and fellow-servants of God are so self-sufficient as to "account anything" (RV) as from themselves (AV, "think"), i.e., as to attribute anything to themselves. Cp. 2Cr 12:6. In 2Ti 4:16 it is used of laying to a person's "account" (RV) as a charge against him (AV, "charge"). (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Counted (H2803 חָשַׁב chashab)- (H2803 חָשַׁב chashab) To impute something to some one; followed by [special character] of pers. and acc. of the thing; e.g. sin, Psalm 32:2; Sam. 19:20; a good deed, [which is not any work at all, but simply his believing God], Gen. 15:6) (Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon)That said, I have a thread I started a week or so ago on imputation if your interested in pursuing that:
The 'Imputation' of the Righteousness of God, in Christ. A Book Keepers term.
There are two different topics running together here, justification and sanctification. While they are both essential elements of salvation, keeping the issues and the semantics separate is helpful in sorting all of this out. If you notice the semantics is growing on us but in Romans 6 the word translated 'imputed' is used:
In the same way, count yourselves (G3049 λογίζομαι logizomai) dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. (Romans 6:11)It's the same word used in Romans 4:3 where Paul is quoting Genesis 15:6. If you notice, the semantics are growing on us, we might want to start keeping the two issues separate. That said, those are the normative definitions for the Hebrew and Greek words used for 'imputation' and the related issue of atonement/reconciliation.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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