Romans 6:3-4

[SH89]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?


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[5stringJeff]

I believe he is referring to water baptism, which practically all 1st century Christians would have undergone.

 

[sparkyman481]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?

This is to be taken Spiritually.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Galatians 3:27-29
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?

Hello sh89.

There is only baptism. There are not two kinds of baptism. Baptism is water applied with the Word of God.

Pax

 

[mark kennedy]

You have to realize that saying 'baptized into' actually means 'identification with'. Clearly this is a reference to water baptism but it is the concept of baptism into Christ that is the main thing to look at. You can be baptized into Christ without water baptisim and vise versa. Once baptized into Christ you are united with Christ in his death, burial and ressurection. This may or may not be a part of water baptism but it is certainly the most important event in the believers life.

In answer to your question, both.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[dcyates]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?


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Both. We can't really draw a very distinct dichotomy between the two. Paul is very likely referring to the exodus event, wherein just as the people of Israel passed through the waters of the sea from slavery to freedom, now all of us through Jesus can pass through the waters--only in our case it is the waters of baptism--from slavery to freedom. Notice how in the very next chapter Paul speaks of the issues of slavery and freedom, only not to Egypt but to sin.

 

[daveleau]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?


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I believe it is a baptism by the Holy Spirit. Scripture talks of both, but says there is only one baptism for the remission of sins. Baptism by the Holy Spirit occurs when we are saved, and some have been saved without being batpised in water like the often referred to, and often curiously ignored man on the cross next to Christ. Water baptism is a testimony of our salvation to others and helps us to understand that we are buried to our old selves and raised in a new body of Christ.

1 Cor 12:13

But, there are a couple of references that say we must be baptised in water. This is very difficult to reconcile and is ignored by most of the churches. Either the man on the cross and the Scriptures about spiritual baptism are followed or those about water baptism are followed.

 

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

Baptized into..his death...the connection of baptism to "dying to sin"...v 4..in order that...newness of life.

Paul develops the idea of dying to sin in connection with being dead in one´s sins. If death atones for man´s sins, together with his repentance, he can be made into a new creature. (just not to lead you away, meaning there is blood atonement...but we are talking in the context of the verses)

Please read further that "we" are no longer slaves to sin..and the rest of the chap falls beautifully into this context.

Please read http://blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom006.html#1

Read the different versions too.

Shalom, David.

 

[Stinker]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?


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Materialist Christians see this verse (along with Gal.3:27 and Col.2:12-13) as physical baptism that must occur in order for spiritual baptism to take place at that same time.

Of course, the scriptures teach no such thing. Jesus water baptized His immediate disciples in His own name (in His own authority) Jn.3:22, 26 who in turn were making and water baptizing more disciples that John the Baptist was! Later, on the day of Pentecost and thereafter, Christ's disciples did not have to be re-baptized, but all of John the Baptist's disciples did! (Acts 18:25-26, 19:1-5)

The water baptism of today is that same water baptism that both Christ's disciples and John the Baptist practiced. It is the baptism of repentace unto the remission of sins. In other words, it shows that one has repented (turned to God) in order to have their sins forgiven. (Mk.1:4 & Acts 3:19) In order to show that what John said came true...."He must increase, but I must decrease." (Jn.3:30) the Apostle Paul penned through the Holy Spirit, that there is now 'one baptism' ending any notion that baptism in the name of John was still in force. Now it is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism." (Eph.4:5)

The baptism that the Holy Spirit operates on a person the moment they come to New Testament belief (of the intellect Jn.12:42-43) & (of the will Rom.10:2) is the baptism that water baptism illustrates. The moment one comes to New Testament belief, the Holy Spirit transfers their soul from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of His dear Son. (Col.1:13) This Spiritual kingdom is the Spiritual body of Christ. So to be 'in Christ' is to be where there is no condemnation. (Rom.8:1) Since it is a Spiritual body, only our spirits can enter it. The Holy Spirit is the vehicle that places our spirit into this Spiritual body. This is called the baptism by the Holy Spirit. Not to be confused with the baptism of or with the Holy Spirit (or the power of the Holy Spirit). (Acts 2:1-4) (Lk.24:49) (Acts 11:15-16)

So yes, (Rom.6:3-4) (Gal.3:27) and (Col.2:12-13) are all describing the baptism of our spirit by the Holy Spirit into the Spiritual body of Christ where it is washed clean by the blood of Christ. (Eph.1:3,7) "In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace." (Eph.1:7)

 

[ForeverSaved]

I think true baptism in the Holy Spirit makes no distinction between the water or no water for the water is repentance and to come out of the world whether water, or how water is used.

Someone who argues one way or the other is not experiencing true baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Schroeder]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?


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Christ is the body so it is the Spirit 1 cor 12:13, or it is neither but just saying that we are immersed into his death or put into association with his death. So it could be just saying all who were united with Christ were united with his death. so if we die with him we will rise with him. Scripture makes it clear that God raised Christ from the Dead. God is Spirit as is Christ so we were UNITED with his death we were united with his ressurection which was through the SPirit. read John 7:38 john 3:6 heb 9-10. rom 8 and many others. So the first part i would say neither water nor Spirit but the second part would have to be the Spirit. Death is mearly letting y0our old life go and lettinh the Spirit give you a new birth. The biggest thing is to deside HOW we are united INTO his death. NOTICE water baptism NEVER is taught or explained the purpose by the Apostles and NEVER is it mentioned as a way to come INTO Christs death. Read rom 8 and it says we are brought into his ressurection by the Spirit just as the Spirit was with him in his death.

 

[ForeverSaved]

Christ is the body so it is the Spirit 1 cor 12:13, or it is neither but just saying that we are immersed into his death or put into association with his death. So it could be just saying all who were united with Christ were united with his death. so if we die with him we will rise with him. Scripture makes it clear that God raised Christ from the Dead. God is Spirit as is Christ so we were UNITED with his death we were united with his ressurection which was through the SPirit. read John 7:38 john 3:6 heb 9-10. rom 8 and many others. So the first part i would say neither water nor Spirit but the second part would have to be the Spirit. Death is mearly letting y0our old life go and lettinh the Spirit give you a new birth. The biggest thing is to deside HOW we are united INTO his death. NOTICE water baptism NEVER is taught or explained the purpose by the Apostles and NEVER is it mentioned as a way to come INTO Christs death. Read rom 8 and it says we are brought into his ressurection by the Spirit just as the Spirit was with him in his death.

Christ the Person is not the body. Christ is not the Spirit. You misread that verse. I will pray for you.

The apostles do teach on baptism. Baptism is burial and resurrection with Christ to come out of the world and for service to indicate you are in the body to other believers.

Baptism comes after one is born again and receives the Holy Spirit or even at the same time.

 

[Theophorus]

Well, Christ was baptized. Paul was baptized and did baptize. I think it would be erroneous for us to consider ourselves more spiritual than they, and skip this practice as something as being for the materialist. Paul who baptized others is the one who wrote this passage. Is he saying the baptisms he performed were just for show, or extra credit, or just for the spiritualy immature, as he must have ben himself after being taken up into the third heaven.

 

[WAB]

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesuswere baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(romans 6:3-4)

Is Paul referring to water baptism or Spiritual baptism(like 1 corinthians 12:13)?


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I believe with all my mind and heart that it is referring primarily to 1Cor.12:13.
That is the spiritual end of baptism. The personal end is water baptism by immersion, which figures death, burial and resurrection, and is a testimony to one's faith in the finished work of Calvary.

When we were missionaries in the Sulu islands, the locals would not take someone's testimony of their belief in Christ seriously unless they went through a public water baptism. (And then their lives were often in danger).

As others have pointed out, if water baptism were essential to or for salvation, then the thief on the cross missed out, and Christ was deluding him when He told him that on that very day, the thief would be with Jesus in paradise.

Baptism according to Romans 6 is "into Christ Jesus", a statement of union with Him. Water baptism figures that union; possible only because of His death, burial and resurrection.

 

[Schroeder]

Christ the Person is not the body. Christ is not the Spirit. You misread that verse. I will pray for you.

The apostles do teach on baptism. Baptism is burial and resurrection with Christ to come out of the world and for service to indicate you are in the body to other believers.

Baptism comes after one is born again and receives the Holy Spirit or even at the same time.

how is he not. the body is ALL who believe God, trinity. he is Spirit scripture says so. it also Says God is Spirit. it called the trinity they are all one and the same. were is it taught water baptism. please give the passages that do. 1 cor 12:13 says the Spirit brings us into the body. Christ the human was not the body but he is not in earthly flesh anymore. baptism is not JUST about water at all and mostly not. what was John the baptist speaking of when he said we would be baptised by Christ BAPTISM of the Spirit. Baptism of Christ(spirit) comes at the moment we believe(Acts 15:8) that is what makes us BORN AGAIN (John 3:8) So we are not born again then receive the Spirit because it is the Spirit that makes us born again John 3:6. the Spirit gives the Spirit. So it is all at once you believe repentance baptism(spirit) born again and receiving the Spirit of Christ.

 

[Schroeder]

Well, Christ was baptized. Paul was baptized and did baptize. I think it would be erroneous for us to consider ourselves more spiritual than they, and skip this practice as something as being for the materialist. Paul who baptized others is the one who wrote this passage. Is he saying the baptisms he performed were just for show, or extra credit, or just for the spiritualy immature, as he must have ben himself after being taken up into the third heaven.

well he did say he was glad he only baptized a few and that he was not sent to baptise but preach the Gospel and that he new of NOTHING but Christ crucified. he wasnt speaking of water baptism in these passages so they were not for show. and it was done back then because it was a common practice to do this when you wished to ASSOCIATE yourself with a peticulare group. hence the reason for his letter in 1 Cor 1 when he spoke to those who were baptising useing so and so name. he was saying it was not the speaker but who he was speaking of that we associate with. And the only way to do this was in the Spirit.

 

[Theophorus]

well he did say he was glad he only baptized a few and that he was not sent to baptise but preach the Gospel and that he new of NOTHING but Christ crucified. he wasnt speaking of water baptism in these passages so they were not for show. and it was done back then because it was a common practice to do this when you wished to ASSOCIATE yourself with a peticulare group. hence the reason for his letter in 1 Cor 1 when he spoke to those who were baptising useing so and so name. he was saying it was not the speaker but who he was speaking of that we associate with. And the only way to do this was in the Spirit.

That explains it perfectly.