Roman Catholic..anything wrong with it?

[GingerBeer]

I have no idea how they can twist the scripture in regards to graven images so they can sculpt, y'know, graven likenesses of Mary and the saints.

Moses commanded a snake to to sculpted and God commanded cherubim to be sculpted in the most holy place. God also commanded that the curtains of the tabernacle be decorated with images of cherubim. Perhaps the problem you noted is more in the way you interpret than it is in the way that Catholics do.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

I make no defense for the Protestants except that they learned from the best, after all they were only recently Catholics; their mother was a murderer. Will you now try and convince me that to mention your costume is a non-sequitur reply, you are sadly mistaken. Most people are blind to the fact that they are in love with the idea of killing and chaos. Look around! All the best games, movies, TV programs are based on pain, the occult, distress, tragedy, war, and if their excitement has no blood shed or human suffering it is boring. Your costume very much makes a statement of where your heart is. Even in conversations such as this, it is not enough to win, we must be overly painful in our words. It is a condition of the heart. Satan cares little whether we are Catholic or Protestant, he loves a good fight. Having said that, I give the fight to you.

I recently stopped playing violent video games because of that reason. It clogs my mind with things that I ought not to know. I stopped liking the idea of violence.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Moses commanded a snake to to sculpted and God commanded cherubim to be sculpted in the most holy place. God also commanded that the curtains of the tabernacle be decorated with images of cherubim.

Did they bow to such images? No.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Did they bow to such images? No.

It's one thing to have a sculpture of something. It's another thing to bow in front of it, kiss its feet, anoint it with oil, etc.

 

[GingerBeer]

Did they bow to such images? No.

Yes, the high priest was commanded to bring offerings into the most holy place, the blood of a sacrifice. He was to offer it before the ark and on its lid at the feet under the wings of the cherubim.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Yes, the high priest was commanded to bring offerings into the most holy place, the blood of a sacrifice. He was to offer it before the ark and on its lid at the feet under the wings of the cherubim.

Ah okay, I haven't gone through the Old Testament very much. Just an opinion, but it seems like a poor defense for allowing icons (statues) into the Church. To make any likeness of Christ would be to mock His very holiness.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Graven Images and Idols: the Scriptural Definition

 

[GingerBeer]

Ah okay, I haven't gone through the Old Testament very much. Just an opinion, but it seems like a poor defense for allowing icons (statues) into the Church. To make any likeness of Christ would be to mock His very holiness.

Read the books of Moses at least. Doing that will help you to understand the new testament.

 

[archer75]

Ah okay, I haven't gone through the Old Testament very much. Just an opinion, but it seems like a poor defense for allowing icons (statues) into the Church. To make any likeness of Christ would be to mock His very holiness.

A simple google search will tell you why Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe that "images" are okay. Why not read some of that material?

 

[dqhall]

I agree that the Seventh-Day Adventists are unbiblical. (Not like I agree with the Catholic church but I'll agree with whatever I agree with.)

The Seventh Day Adventists I met were into Bible studies. Resting on the seventh day (Saturday) is Biblical. Many of them are vegetarians. Researchers found there is a large cluster of people 100 years old or older in Loma Linda, California. This is a town with a large number of Seventh Day Adventist members. A medical study of Seventh Day Adventist vegans showed they lived significantly longer than non-smoking people who ate average American diets.

I would not single out Seventh Day Adventists as being against the Bible. Most people who call themselves Christian do not take the commandment to rest on the seventh day literally. They would rather rest on the first day or go at their own pace resting or working as needed.

 

[tadoflamb]

I have no idea how they can twist the scripture in regards to graven images so they can sculpt, y'know, graven likenesses of Mary and the saints.

Maybe we could ask these sola scripturists.

Behold the great Reformers!

 

[PeaceB]

It's one thing to have a sculpture of something. It's another thing to bow in front of it, kiss its feet, anoint it with oil, etc.

I kiss a photograph of my deceased mother. I suppose that means that I am worshiping her as a god.

You have your opinion. It is duly noted. But let me just tell you, nobody cares about your opinion.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

to answer the original question of the OP, yes.

it is indeed wrong for any congregation who claims to follow Christ, regardless of it's size, to disregard the Scriptures in their practice.

 

[PeaceB]

to answer the original question of the OP, yes.

it is indeed wrong for any congregation who claims to follow Christ, regardless of it's size, to disregard the Scriptures in their practice.

Then why are you Presbyterian?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Then why are you Presbyterian?

Reformed Presbyterian actually, not to be lumped in with the PCUSA.

 

[dqhall]

Maybe we could ask these sola scripturists.

Behold the great Reformers!

There are thousands of photos of Catholics carrying statues of saints, Mary or Jesus online.

 

[PeaceB]

There are thousands of photos of Catholics carrying statues of saints, Mary or Jesus online.

And there are thousands of photographs of Protestants carrying crosses.

 

[Albion]

Getting agreement about what's supposed to be included in the bible is too difficult for Christians so how much harder is it to credibly claim that the bible is complete and sufficient?

Let us stay with the topic at hand. Understanding the Bible is essential, but you cannot begin to do that if you haven't yet figured out where the truth is to be found.

 

[Catherineanne]

Getting agreement about what's supposed to be included in the bible is too difficult for Christians so how much harder is it to credibly claim that the bible is complete and sufficient?

The Bible does not define itself; it was left to the church (and by that I mean the Roman church) to define the canon of Scripture. There are warnings in the Bible about taking away from what is known to be Scripture, but Luther et al went ahead anyway; rather reckless of them, tbh.

In addition, the Bible does not claim to be complete and sufficient. Therefore we may choose to think it is, but we cannot claim that such a belief is Scriptural; it isn't.

 

[Catherineanne]

Ah okay, I haven't gone through the Old Testament very much. Just an opinion, but it seems like a poor defense for allowing icons (statues) into the Church. To make any likeness of Christ would be to mock His very holiness.

Yeah, no.

We are Christians, not Moslems.