Roman Catholic..anything wrong with it?

[rockytopva]

I believe in the seven churches as ages...

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Seven different congregations! All with their virtues, pluses, and minuses! The Catholic church has faults, as does the rest of the Christian church.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Even as someone who disagree with several things with Roman Catholicism, to say that Roman Catholics do not follow the Bible is completely wrong.

 

[Albion]

Even as someone who disagree with several things with Roman Catholicism, to say that Roman Catholics do not follow the Bible is completely wrong.

Intriguing statement. What "things" did you have in mind that are wrong with Roman Catholicism but not independent of any Biblical support?

 

[Catherineanne]

The RC's are the largest denomination..but they do not follow the Bible in many instances, is that wrong?

Maybe, maybe not.

Frankly, not my problem. I think each denomination has to police its own theology and praxis; it isn't really something that can be done from the outside. It is far too easy to misunderstand terminology that is specific to any given church, and to build vast great arguments against them, when a quiet conversation would show that actually that is not what they mean at all.

Aka motes and beams.

 

[Catherineanne]

It most certainly IS wrong. Completely wrong. However it's also completely understandable. THEY DON'T WANT YOU IN THE BIBLE. If you know the truth than you can't be snowed with Tradition and phony ecclesiastical authority. They want your money and the money from the 19 children your going to have.

What on earth?

Is that how you speak of your brothers and sisters in Christ? Is that how the left hand speaks of the right hand of the Body of Christ?

Good grief.

 

[Catherineanne]

They support their doctrines with Deuterocanonical books, e.g. praying for the dead.

There are no Bible scriptures supporting the ascension of Mary into heaven, her perpetual virginity, her sinless nature, e.g. Mary actually went to Jesus and He merely called her woman. Mary would be appalled to know that she was being venerated (alright, worshiped) like this.

There is no Biblical support for exorcisms, plain and simple. The Bible, in Acts, I remember it mentioning a man trying to cast a demon out of a possessed man and the demon recognized Jesus and Paul but asked the guy who he was... The demon-possessed man drove the exorcists out, injuring them greatly.

Salvation by works is also expressly refuted in Scripture. Sola fide.

The Pope is what happens when Church Fathers misconstrued scripture about Peter being the rock of the Church.

The actual presence (from the Eucharist, I do not believe the Eucharist is unbiblical in itself) is derived from Mithrasism and is not Biblical.

Mary veneration is derived from Isis/Ashtoreth worship of pagan times before Constantine.

Etc.

A very misinformed post. Very.

 

[Catherineanne]

Catholics are doing what the Pharisees did- turning what is supposed to be about love and righteousness into cold religion. Whenever I see colored stained glass with pictures of saints, mary, Jesus, etc. on it, it is a warning sign to me. The catholic church is very, very satanic at it's roots. The catholic church invented Halloween, which is the high-holiday of satanism

Congratulations on being holier than all 1.2 billion Catholics in the world.

And you accuse them of emulating the Pharisee?

Good grief!

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

A very misinformed post. Very.

We have very different roots in our faith. Catholics do not hold to sola scriptura as Protestants do, so I could see what you'd think that.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Congratulations on being holier than all 1.2 billion Catholics in the world.

Good grief!

The Catholic Church distorts the Ten Commandments, taking the second one out and duplicating the tenth one.

 

[Catherineanne]

It most certainly IS wrong. Completely wrong. However it's also completely understandable. THEY DON'T WANT YOU IN THE BIBLE. If you know the truth than you can't be snowed with Tradition and phony ecclesiastical authority. They want your money and the money from the 19 children your going to have.

Seriously, cut down on the coffee.

 

[Catherineanne]

We have very different roots in our faith. Catholics do not hold to sola scriptura as Protestants do, so I could see what you'd think that.

Sola Scriptura is not Biblically attested.

Meanwhile, I am Anglican, which means catholic AND protestant and I think SS thoroughly unScriptural. Because it is.

 

[Catherineanne]

The Catholic Church distorts the Ten Commandments, taking the second one out and duplicating the tenth one.

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

 

[SnowyMacie]

Intriguing statement. What "things" did you have in mind that are wrong with Roman Catholicism but not independent of any Biblical support?

My concerns with Catholicism have more to do with how Catholics practice and believe instead of what they believe.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

Read Exodus 20.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

Paul would say you are mistaken. Romans 14:5-6

The Sabbath is no more a requirement of God than sacrificing a


No disagreement with Paul at all...he is referring to the Mosaic law. You will see that if you read the entire chapter...nothing to do with the Holy seventh day sabbath....it stands through all the ages as a Holy day.

 

[kepha31]

Not always. Some of the most controversial doctrines are based upon Tradition instead of Scripture and have no Biblical basis whatsoever. They are defended by the unprovable claim that such was what the Apostles taught--or the church since its beginning--ergo, they must be true.

Tradition is biblically based just as the Bible is Tradition based. Typically, you change the definition of Tradition to make it fit your preconceptions.

 

[kepha31]

The Catholic Church distorts the Ten Commandments, taking the second one out and duplicating the tenth one.

All the Commandments are there, they are just numbered differently. All 10 are also affirmed in the catechism.

First of all, let’s get one thing straight right out of the “starting-gate”: the Bible itself does not lay out with precision, the numbering of the Commandments. In fact, it does not do so at all. The set is indeed referred to as “ten” (Ex 34:28, Deut 4:13, 10:4), but the exact numbering is not given in the two slightly different versions of it recorded in the Bible (Ex 20:2-17 and Deut 5:6-21; see also an expanded elaboration of the principles in Ex 34:11-28).

This is as true of the King James Version as of any other. Therefore, no one has any license to be dogmatic about the exact numbering and division, based on the Bible alone — let alone to make a charge of dishonesty and “removal.”

Luther’s numbering (like Augustine’s before him) is precisely that of the Catholic Church. Anti-Catholicism always involves this sort of outrageous double standards and hiding of the full truth of the matter.

The claim is that Catholics “deleted” the Commandment about “graven images” and “idols.” But this is understood (by Augustine, Luther, and Catholics) as included within the first commandment. It’s not excluded. There is merely a “shorthand” to remember the first commandment, in the shorter version, just as “Thou shalt not covet” in the non-Lutheran Protestant versions is shorthand for the longer, more explicit biblical version.
Ten Commandments: Changed by Catholics to Uphold Idolatry?

 

[PeaceB]

Certainly it is wrong. But, quite a few denominations are right on some things and wrong on other ones. The question might better be framed as this: How important are the things about which the church (any church) is wrong?

What is your denomination wrong on?

 

[PeaceB]

Not always. Some of the most controversial doctrines are based upon Tradition instead of Scripture and have no Biblical basis whatsoever. They are defended by the unprovable claim that such was what the Apostles taught--or the church since its beginning--ergo, they must be true.

Well that is all in the eye of the beholder. I cannot think of many things, other than the doctrine concerning the canon of Scripture, which we would say is not at least implicit in Scripture.

Sola Scriptura (however you might want to define it), Sola Fide, and other protestant doctrines have absolutely no basis in the Bible, and are merely the tradition of men, from our perspective.

 

[PeaceB]

The RC's are the largest denomination..but they do not follow the Bible in many instances, is that wrong?

Let's say that I decided leave the Catholic Church and her non-biblical ways.

Should I be Lutheran, Anglican, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Anabaptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Pentecostal, a "non-Denominational Evangelical", a Jehovah's Witness, or a Mormon, and why?