Role of Mary

[thereselittleflower]

Axion and Bubbalove . . there are some people no matter what we say, have decided that they are right and we are wrong and will never actually "hear" what we are saying, no matter how many times we tell them.

There are some who will continue to attack this belief that Mary is the Mother of God no matter how well we explain it to them . . there is just too much prejudice against it in their minds . .

It does not matter that the Early Church believed it . . even well before the Council of Ephesus in 431. . the first recorded instance of the title Theotokos is in 235 AD by St Hippolytus of Rome.


I am just very, very glad I have been set free from such a mindset and have been blessed to know and understand the truth about the Theotokos.


Peace in Him!

Luk 2:35 yea and a sword shall pierce through thine own soul; that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed.​

 

[FreeinChrist]

I am always astounded at the utter dismissal of human beings by protestants, it makes me wonder why they feel the incarnation took place to begin with. I also wonder why if human beings were created in the ikon and likeness of God, that now that is null and void. The only way, I mean the only way any of us know of the Gospel is through human beings. The Bible was written by human beings, it did not fall out of the sky in bonded leather, the only way anyone knows what is in the Bible is because human beings chose the books, they did not come together out of the blue.
Without man there is no Bible, there is no Christianity, so to continue to down play the human role of the Tradition makes no sense!
Jeff the Finn

It ASTOUNDS me that there are those who would place human beings OVER God, as having more importance than God and are more reponsible for the Bible than God ALmighty! As if God couldn't work out things to accomplish His purposes!

Truly - it absolutely ASTOUNDS me!

 

[Reader Nilus]

Well I suppose you think it was written in some sort of occultic trance state like automatic writing! It was not. It becomes clear why the dismissal of Mary now, goodness the Theotokos implies human being, and goodness we can never say that Jesus was True Man, and his Incarnation was a mirage! The only word we have is that which is spoken by human beings. Why do you dismiss what God said was Good?
Jeff the Finn

 

[thereselittleflower]

Well I suppose you think it was written in some sort of occultic trance state like automatic writing! It was not. It becomes clear why the dismissal of Mary now, goodness the Theotokos implies human being, and goodness we can never say that Jesus was True Man, and his Incarnation was a mirage! The only word we have is that which is spoken by human beings. Why do you dismiss what God said was Good?
Jeff the Finn

Jeff. . have YOU seen anyone around here putting human beings OVER God?

I haven't . . .



<sigh>


Peace in Him!

 

[FreeinChrist]

Well I suppose you think it was written in some sort of occultic trance state like automatic writing!

As I have never claimed any such thing....do you have an excuse for suggesting it?

It was not. It becomes clear why the dismissal of Mary now, goodness the Theotokos implies human being, and goodness we can never say that Jesus was True Man, and his Incarnation was a mirage!

this is a amazing still. Go back to page 2 , post #12 - you will see this from me:

Mary is a supreme example of a woman who obeyed God and who loved God.
I believe the term 'God-bearer' is important in that it needs to be clear that since the moment of conception , Jesus was 100% man and 100%God, the two natures combined.

I prefer the term Mary, mother of God Incarnate.

It is VERY important, when trying to argue that Mary isn't the mother of God that you aren't simply reacting to what appears to be excessive adoration of Mary, and in do so are denying the Incarnation at conception.

I even repeated just recently that I prefer the term Mary, mother of God Incarnate.

Again, above, you misrepresent beliefs of those who are not in your church. I have corrected you many times. MANY times.

The only word we have is that which is spoken by human beings. Why do you dismiss what God said was Good?
Jeff the Finn

Do you acccept that God was behind the writing?

 

[FreeinChrist]

nevermind...not worth it.

 

[Reader Nilus]

I would love to hear how the Bible came about without human beings, are they claiming something like joe smith and the magic glasses or the Koran and Islam?
Jeff the Finn

 

[Reader Nilus]

The only words ever spoken have been by human beings, that is the sum of it. Any word of God came through men, and that is the rub! You reject human beings part and say God well the only way you know of God is from the witness of men and women. If you dismiss the human than by default you reject Christ, as he too was a MAN!
Jeff the Finn

 

[thereselittleflower]

I would love to hear how the Bible came about without human beings, are they claiming something like joe smith and the magic glasses or the Koran and Islam?
Jeff the Finn

*thereselittleflower sits back with a big drink and gets all nice and comfy to hear the tale of how the bible came about without human beings . .

*tlf thinks, this might be a really entertaining story! . . .

 

[thereselittleflower]

The only words ever spoken have been by human beings, that is the sum of it. Any word of God came through men, and that is the rub! You reject human beings part and say God well the only way you know of God is from the witness of men and women. If you dismiss the human than by default you reject Christ, as he too was a MAN!
Jeff the Finn

Now Jeff . . now, give FIC a chance to tell the story!! It might be good!


Peace in Him!

 

[FreeinChrist]

Now Jeff . . now, give FIC a chance to tell the story!! It might be good!


Peace in Him!

You know, TLF - YOUR behavior over the last few weeks has been enlightening.

I forgive you because you are a Christian.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The only words ever spoken have been by human beings, that is the sum of it. Any word of God came through men, and that is the rub! You reject human beings part and say God well the only way you know of God is from the witness of men and women. If you dismiss the human than by default you reject Christ, as he too was a MAN!
Jeff the Finn

I would LOVE to hear how God was not behind the Bible and had nothing to do with it's complilation.

And Christ was not just any man, BTW...isn't that WHY there is the term Theotokos????


I notice you don't bother to address your false insinuations of the previous page.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Jeff I guess we are not going to hear the story . . .




Oh well. I guess the bible came about with the help of human beings after all!


Peace in Him!

 

[FreeinChrist]

I was going to respond....but am not lowering myself to your level, TLF.


Go ahead and be as snide as you wish.

 

[Reader Nilus]

I continue to wait for an answer as to how we got the Bible without men. I don't trust men, well then you do not trust much, being all we know of history comes from men.
Jeff the Finn

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Protestants have the Bible because GOD inspired the writers, NOT thanks to the RCC. And God perserved His word despite the workings of man. The OT writings already existed before the Catholic church. But THAT is another topic for another thread. I don't buy your point here in the least.

The question of WHEN the church began to teach the sinlessness of Mary and veneration of saints is one I have, for I do not believe that it was taught in the beginning of the church.


I haven't seen that the early church taught the sinlessness of mary....and that includes the early church that wrote the new Testament.

The oldest Church is the Orthodox Church. I belong to the Antiochian Church, you know the one mentioned in the book of ACTS, yep same Church, never died, never went away, never changed, and yes these things have been there from the beginning...

Forgive me...

 

[SavedByGrace3]

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