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Gospodi pomiliu means Lord have mercy(as I am sure you know). What does Hospodi pomiliu mean?
Gospodi pomiliu means Lord have mercy(as I am sure you know). What does Hospodi pomiliu mean?
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Okay from now on pronounce my name with the Third L silent and the second L as an R. Just kidding ya 
Aren't you the very least proud that I took the time to look up what you were trying to say?
Aren't you the very least proud that I took the time to look up what you were trying to say?
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People think too much when it comes to this question.
Is Jesus God? Yes.
Is Mary the mother of Jesus? Yes.
Draw your own conclusions.
Is Jesus God? Yes.
Is Mary the mother of Jesus? Yes.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Facts and speculation are two very different things as well. And it's not the Ukraine, it's Ukraine. Ya molusa sho Vin pomiluye!!!Oblio said:
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Jesus was God in the flesh.
God existed before the beginning, he created everything.
Mary was the vessel used by God to deliver Jesus/
Mary was a mere woman.
She can not be the mother of God, as God always was.
God existed before the beginning, he created everything.
Mary was the vessel used by God to deliver Jesus/
Mary was a mere woman.
She can not be the mother of God, as God always was.
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What do you mean by this?AnnieSue said:
What flesh? Whose flesh?
Do you accept that Jesus is truly a man, of the race of Adam and line of David?
Indeed.
No. This makes it sound as if Jesus just "passed through" Mary like water through a pipe, which is Gnosticism, not Christianity. Mary was not a "vessel". She is Jesus's mother, who gave Jesus His flesh and humanity.
Scripture says: blessed, exalted, full of Grace, and honoured by all generations.
She is mother of Jesus who is God the Son. Jesus was not always Jesus, fully God and fully man. God the Word became Jesus, God the Son, Son of God and Son of Man, for us in Mary's womb.
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Hi AnnieSueAnnieSue said:
I understand your logic, but there is a flaw in it . .
It assumes that the phrase "Mother of God" means that Mary CREATED God, or that God had His beginning with Mary . . which is of course absurd . .
All Catholic and Orthodox COMPLETELY AGREE with you!
It assumes that the word "mother" carries the meaning of "creator" ..
"Mother" does not mean "creator" . .
"Mother" means one who gave birth, brought forth into the world . . and so, Mary, since she gave physical birth to God (made flesh), it is very much appropriate to call her by this title Mother of God, for it speaks about the LIMITS of her involvement in bringing God-made-flesh-and-dwelt-among-us into the world . . and that indeed, the child she bore into the world was God-Himself-made-flesh-and-dwelt-among-us
There is nothing inherent in this phrase about Mary being God's creator or originator any more than there is in the phrase "mother of AnnieSue" about your mother being YOUR CREATOR . .
God is your creator, not your mother . . calling your mother "mother" only says she bore you into this world and gave birth to you physically.
Nothing more . .
As Ainesis said above, the importance of "Mother of God" is not what is says about Mary, but what it says about JESUS . . that He is God made flesh., God become man.
Peace in Him!
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From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
Mother : \Moth"er\, a. Received by birth or from ancestors; native, natural; as, mother language; also acting the part, or having the place of a mother; producing others; originating. That which has produced or nurtured anything; source of birth or origin; generatrix.
Mother : \Moth"er\, a. Received by birth or from ancestors; native, natural; as, mother language; also acting the part, or having the place of a mother; producing others; originating. That which has produced or nurtured anything; source of birth or origin; generatrix.
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LynnLynn73 said:
Jesus is the God-Man . . Did the God-made-made-man ALWAYS exist?
Jesus did not always exist . . God the Son has always existed.
Jesus is God the Son become Man which happened at a point in time, and which did not exist before that point in time . . Something altogether NEW and never before head of.
The God-Man Jesus did not exist in heaven before the incarnation . . If he did, that means he had to have a body of human flesh BEFORE the incarnation . . and that is nonsensical . .
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And here is an interesting definition from Websters 1828 Dictionary:
Mother
MOTHER, n. [L. mater, mother; matrix, the womb; materia, matter, stuff, materials of which any thing is made. We observe that in some other languages, as well as in English, the same word signifies a female parent, and the thick slime formed in vinegar; and in all the languages of Europe here cited, the orthography is nearly the same as that of mud and matter. The question then occurs whether the name of a female parent originated in a word expressing matter, mold; either the soil of the earth, as the producer, or the like substance, when shaped and fitted as a mold for castings; or whether the name is connected with the opinion that the earth is the mother of all productions; whence the word mother-earth. We are informed by a fragment of Sanchoniathon, that the ancient Phenicians considered mud to be the substance from which all things were formed. See Mud. The word matter is evidently from the Ar. madda, to secrete, eject or discharge a purulent substance; and I think cannot have any direct connection with mud. But in the Italian, Spanish and Portuguese, the same word madre signified mother, and a mold for castings; and the northern languages, particularly the German and Danish, seem to establish the fact that the proper sense of mother is matrix. Hence mother of pearl, the matrix of pearl. If this word had its origin in the name of the earth used for the forms of castings, it would not be a singular fact; for our word mold, in this sense, I suppose to be so named from mold, fine earth. The question remains sub judice.]
1. A female parent; especially, one of the human race; a woman who has borne a child; correlative to son or daughter.
2. That which has produced any thing.
Alas, poor country! it cannot
Be called our mother, but our grave.
So our native land is called mother country, and a plant from which a slip or cion is taken, is called the mother plant. In this use, mother may be considered as an adjective.
3. That which has preceded in time; the oldest or chief of any thing; as a mother-church.
4. Hysterical passion. [Not used.]
5. A familiar term of address or appellation of an old woman or matron.
6. An appellation given to a woman who exercises care and tenderness towards another, or gives parental advice; as when one says," a woman has been a mother to me."
7. A thick slimy substance concreted in liquors, particularly in vinegar, very different from scum or common lees.
MOTHER of pearl, n. The matrix of pearl; the shell in which pearls are generated; a species of Mytilus or Mussel.
MOTHER of thyme, n. A plant of the genus Thymus.
MOTHER, a. Native; natural; received by birth; as mother-wit.
1. Native; vernacular; received from parents or ancestors; as mother-tongue.
MOTHER, v.i. To concrete, as the thick matter of liquors.
MOTHER, v.t. To adopt as a son or daughter.
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Mother
MOTHER, n. [L. mater, mother; matrix, the womb; materia, matter, stuff, materials of which any thing is made. We observe that in some other languages, as well as in English, the same word signifies a female parent, and the thick slime formed in vinegar; and in all the languages of Europe here cited, the orthography is nearly the same as that of mud and matter. The question then occurs whether the name of a female parent originated in a word expressing matter, mold; either the soil of the earth, as the producer, or the like substance, when shaped and fitted as a mold for castings; or whether the name is connected with the opinion that the earth is the mother of all productions; whence the word mother-earth. We are informed by a fragment of Sanchoniathon, that the ancient Phenicians considered mud to be the substance from which all things were formed. See Mud. The word matter is evidently from the Ar. madda, to secrete, eject or discharge a purulent substance; and I think cannot have any direct connection with mud. But in the Italian, Spanish and Portuguese, the same word madre signified mother, and a mold for castings; and the northern languages, particularly the German and Danish, seem to establish the fact that the proper sense of mother is matrix. Hence mother of pearl, the matrix of pearl. If this word had its origin in the name of the earth used for the forms of castings, it would not be a singular fact; for our word mold, in this sense, I suppose to be so named from mold, fine earth. The question remains sub judice.]
1. A female parent; especially, one of the human race; a woman who has borne a child; correlative to son or daughter.
2. That which has produced any thing.
Alas, poor country! it cannot
Be called our mother, but our grave.
So our native land is called mother country, and a plant from which a slip or cion is taken, is called the mother plant. In this use, mother may be considered as an adjective.
3. That which has preceded in time; the oldest or chief of any thing; as a mother-church.
4. Hysterical passion. [Not used.]
5. A familiar term of address or appellation of an old woman or matron.
6. An appellation given to a woman who exercises care and tenderness towards another, or gives parental advice; as when one says," a woman has been a mother to me."
7. A thick slimy substance concreted in liquors, particularly in vinegar, very different from scum or common lees.
MOTHER of pearl, n. The matrix of pearl; the shell in which pearls are generated; a species of Mytilus or Mussel.
MOTHER of thyme, n. A plant of the genus Thymus.
MOTHER, a. Native; natural; received by birth; as mother-wit.
1. Native; vernacular; received from parents or ancestors; as mother-tongue.
MOTHER, v.i. To concrete, as the thick matter of liquors.
MOTHER, v.t. To adopt as a son or daughter.
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I put 'mere woman' only because it did not say Jesus... But Jesus is God in the flesh so I think the first answer threw me a little.
I think Mary is indeed blessed but I do not know if she is held in a Higher position in heaven or not? Mary was special to God ,thats why he chose her to bare the saviour.
I think that she is probably regarded as special in heaven , but not really greatest... I dont really know and will just be glad to talk to her about her life when I get there.
I think Mary is indeed blessed but I do not know if she is held in a Higher position in heaven or not? Mary was special to God ,thats why he chose her to bare the saviour.
I think that she is probably regarded as special in heaven , but not really greatest... I dont really know and will just be glad to talk to her about her life when I get there.
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