Rights of the Un-born

[Antoninus Verus]

Whenever I debate someone about abortion, I always hear "The un-born child has rights!" Ok, you say an un-born child has rights, but it doesnt seem to bother you that small children and teenagers dont have some of the most basic rights?

 

[BarbB]

The unborn has a right to live. Small children and teenagers have a right to be cared for by their parents or guardians.

Which rights are on your mind?

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Whenever I debate someone about abortion, I always hear "The un-born child has rights!" Ok, you say an un-born child has rights, but it doesnt seem to bother you that small children and teenagers dont have some of the most basic rights?

what about the death penalty...do these people lose all their rights to life because they are accused of a crime?

 

[Donut Hole]

Does your hair have a right to live?

 

[TheMagi]

what about the death penalty...do these people lose all their rights to life because they are accused of a crime?

I think that most people would assume it was because they are guilty rather than accused.
And I think the death penalty is inexcusable, anyway.

Magi

 

[TheMagi]

Whenever I debate someone about abortion, I always hear "The un-born child has rights!" Ok, you say an un-born child has rights, but it doesnt seem to bother you that small children and teenagers dont have some of the most basic rights?

It bothers me any time some person doesn't have their rights. Concern for the born also tends to take up more of my time than for the unborn, because I tend to see more of them.
Not that I actually believe in rights. But you know what I mean.

Magi

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Does your hair have a right to live?

Most certainly.

I will defend it through my right to arms, all day and any day.

 

[kedaman]

nobody has a right to live

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

nobody has a right to live

Please continue.

 

[TheMagi]

nobody has a right to live

Amen. None of us are worthy of it, 'for all have sinned...'. It is a fresh blessing, day by day.

Fortunately, we also have no right to kill, or indeed to permit another to die when it is in our power to save them.

Magi

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Fetus has no right as it really is a symbiotic organism attached to the uterus. If that fetus was attached in the fallopian tube, how many would say that fetus has a right?

 

[Marek]

A fetus has a right to life just as strong as yours or mine.

 

[TheMagi]

Fetus has no right as it really is a symbiotic organism attached to the uterus. If that fetus was attached in the fallopian tube, how many would say that fetus has a right?

Would you say that a siamese twin had no right? They may also be symbiotic organisms attached to another. And are you seriously suggesting that where something is attached makes any difference to its personhood?

Magi

 

[Allister]

I always try and raise this point with christan friends but they somehow avoid it.

A fetus has a right to life just as strong as yours or mine

At what point does it's right to life stop?

Does it only have a right to life at the exact moment of conception? or does the sperm and the egg have equal rights to life?
what defines its right to life?

 

[Marek]

I always try and raise this point with christan friends but they somehow avoid it.
At what point does it's right to life stop?

It never stops. Well, I guess until it dies. Are you trying to ask when it begins?

Does it only have a right to life at the exact moment of conception?

Not only at that exact moment, but every moment afterwards.

or does the sperm and the egg have equal rights to life?
what defines its right to life?

A sperm has no right. It is not capable of a future like ours. Same goes for the egg.

 

[Eponine]

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It never stops. Well, I guess until it dies. Are you trying to ask when it begins?

Not only at that exact moment, but every moment afterwards.

A sperm has no right. It is not capable of a future like ours. Same goes for the egg.

I more or less agree. The difference is that if the egg attaches in the fallopian tube it threatens the woman's life. On the other hand, as far as I know the overwhelming majority of abortions today are simply because the woman doesn't want to go through the trouble of giving birth to a child, then either taking care of it or offering it for adoption.

 

[Lev20:13]

I think that most people would assume it was because they are guilty rather than accused.
And I think the death penalty is inexcusable, anyway.

Magi

Read Leviticus.
Bible is prolly the most famous supporter of the use of captial punishment.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Read Leviticus.
Bible is prolly the most famous supporter of the use of captial punishment.

I thought those laws no longer apply. Or something like that.

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Would you say that a siamese twin had no right? They may also be symbiotic organisms attached to another. And are you seriously suggesting that where something is attached makes any difference to its personhood?

Magi

Perhaps I should have used a more specific term like commensalism or parsitism. People probably recoil at parasite, but I think you can use either or, though parasite usually refers those that damage their host.

Ectopic pregnancy, I would consider that parasitic.

Regular pregnancy, I would consider that commensalism.

Conjoined twins are not the same unless you have one of the twins living off the other, like the parasitic head removed from that Egyptian baby a few months ago. Your comparison doesn't fit at all also because conjoined twins live outside the body, they're independent, and their existence does not require the existence of the mother. In addition, the relationship between each twin does not mean that it's equitable to a mother and fetus by virtue of being connected.

Trying to compare a child that has been born to the unborn really doesn't work. Can you remove the mother from the equation of a child that is born? Yes you can.

 

[TheMagi]

I thought those laws no longer apply. Or something like that.

So did I.

Magi