Right wing media is facing a reckoning for lying to consumers

[BPPLEE]

Not much different in today's media coverage. Trump is still the story everyday, everywhere. Only a few changes of consequence have occurred in Don's world since taking those documents from the white house January 20th, 2021. Mr Trump no longer is immune from prosecution and is already convicted of several felonies. And the business fraud convictions. And the $millions$ in defamation debt for Ms Carroll. And many of his cohorts in conservative media are being fired or facing criminal charges or already convicted and heading for the stripey hole by July 1st. Maybe Don can start his own podcast from Leavenworth some day. I think one of his heroes stayed there for a while. (Na na na na na na the night Chicago died. Brother what a nite the people saw, brother what a fight the people saw. Yes indeed.)

Trump was the only one of the two candidates who was competent to stand trial. The special counsel said Biden was not.

 

[Brihaha]

Trump was the only one of the two candidates who was competent to stand trial. The special counsel said Biden was not.

Uh...probably cause President Biden is not a criminal.

 

[Vambram]

Uh...probably cause President Biden is not a criminal.

That is not what Robert Hur's report said in his testimony before Congress.

 

[FreeinChrist]

That is not what Robert Hur's report said in his testimony before Congress.

Well, yeah, Hur's report did not make out Biden as a criminal. I read the report. Many of the docs Biden had were written by him. He probably expected he could keep them like Pres. Reagan did when he left office.

And as Jamie Raskin said:

“President Biden did not assert executive privilege or claim absolute immunity from presidential crimes,” Raskin said. “He did not hide boxes of documents under his bed or in a bathtub. He did not fight investigators, nor did he seek to redact a single word of Mr. Hur’s report.”​

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From the same article and I am making part of the quote bold:

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Most importantly, Hur never said explicitly that Biden committed crimes, which Jordan suggested.​

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Hur found some evidence that Biden willfully retained classified materials after he left the Obama White House. He also uncovered some examples of Biden sharing classified information with his book author.​

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However, Hur also said his team found plenty of exculpatory evidence that led him to conclude that Biden’s actions weren’t illegal, and ultimately concluded that criminal charges weren’t warranted. ​

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There were enough facts favorable to Biden that would “create reasonable doubt” for a potential jury, and “innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute,” Hur wrote in his report.​

Had Trump simply returned the documents, those charges would not have happened. Trump didn't want to return them, and they involved national security, and he conspired to keep the documents from the FBI;

Federal prosecution of Donald Trump (classified documents case) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trump (37 counts):[1]

• 31 counts of retaining and failing to deliver national defense documents under the Espionage Act.

Each of these charges is for possession of a separate, specific document. Ten of these documents were handed over to the government in June 2022, and the other 21 were recovered in the August 2022 search.[39] According to the indictment, the 31 documents describe U.S. nuclear weapons; foreign military attacks, plans, capabilities, and effects on U.S. interests; foreign nuclear capabilities; foreign support for terrorist activity; communications with foreign leaders; U.S. military activities; White House daily foreign intelligence briefings; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.[40]​

• 5 counts relating to conspiracy to obstruct justice and withholding documents and records[1]
• 1 count of making false statements.

 

[KCfromNC]

How long were we told that Trump colluded with Russia and that Adam Schiff had proof?

Up to and after Trump's campaign manager went to jail for information that came from that investigation, if I have the timeline correct.
But I'm not sure if there are any specific examples of right wing media losing cases in their efforts to hide that information so it might be off topic here.

 

[KCfromNC]

That is not what Robert Hur's report said in his testimony before Congress.

Another example of conclusions based on false information coming from right wing media. Now all we need is an example of one of those media outlets losing in a defamation or similar case to make it on topic for the thread.

 

[RoBo1988]

Here's a friendly reminder to us all about some of the reckoning being faced by right wing media for intentionally spreading misinformation to consumers. And it is encouraging to see these outlets and pundits suffer consequences for their lies. As Americans are still facing consequences from their lies as well.

I hearken back to when Tucker Carlson was fired from foxnews. I can still hear those rumors that he should be Donald Trump’s running mate. It still makes me chuckle.

Right-wing media reckoning: Some outlets pay a price after spreading 2020 election misinformation

Right-wing media that became purveyors of misinformation and amplified false claims as Donald Trump undermined the results of the 2020 election are finding themselves on the losing end of legal challenges — or facing new ones.

www.yahoo.com

I stopped looking at GP a couple years ago when they discontinued the comments section, as I did with American Thinker (I noticed that AT since restored theirs).

If you don't get clicks, you don't make money - just ask Jeff Bezos, and the Washington Post.

The Most Baffling Part of the Disaster Unfolding at the Washington Post

This is what Jeff Bezos is for!

slate.com

 

[Brihaha]

I stopped looking at GP a couple years ago when they discontinued the comments section, as I did with American Thinker (I noticed that AT since restored theirs).

If you don't get clicks, you don't make money - just ask Jeff Bezos, and the Washington Post.

The Most Baffling Part of the Disaster Unfolding at the Washington Post

This is what Jeff Bezos is for!

slate.com

I just visited TGP and the comments are still there. I checked out the top story, a Caitlin Clark piece gaslighting about her being left off the American Olympic basketball team roster because she's white. Comments seem as hateful and unhinged as ever . I don't think Hoft could keep up consumer traffic without the comments section.

 

[NxNW]

What about all those stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop being Russian disinformation?

There were no such stories.

The laptop was used as evidence in the gun trial. I haven’t seen any retractions.

Retractions of what?

 

[NxNW]

That is not what Robert Hur's report said in his testimony before Congress.

It doesn't matter what Hur said. Biden has never been convicted of a crime.

 

[NxNW]

How long were we told that Trump colluded with Russia and that Adam Schiff had proof?

The Trump Administration colluded with Russia and admitted guilt. This has been covered many times here. Try to keep up.

 

[Brihaha]

Up to and after Trump's campaign manager went to jail for information that came from that investigation, if I have the timeline correct.
But I'm not sure if there are any specific examples of right wing media losing cases in their efforts to hide that information so it might be off topic here.

Feel free to post what you like. I'm not trying to police the thread anymore. I got defensive yesterday and set a hard line, which may have been a bit stubborn of me. Today I'm better and not worried about what folks post haha. Apologies to all.

 

[Brihaha]

The Trump Administration colluded with Russia and admitted guilt. This has been covered many times here. Try to keep up.

Yeah, it seems like yesterday Rudy Giuliani was moving the goalposts. "We didn't collude with Russia" became "I never said we didn't collude with Russia. Besides, collusion isn't a crime anyway." Lol

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime.html

 

[Brihaha]

Maybe the reason conservative media seems so intentionally deceitful is because conservatives have been shown to be uniquely susceptible to political misperceptions in our current sociopolitical environment today. Empirical data suggests that conservatism is associated with a lesser ability to distinguish between true and false political claims, while having a tendency to believe all false claims.

To me, it's impossible to place causation blame on either conservatives or their media, but equally. Do conservatives believe conspiracies because of the media they consume? Or is the media to blame for their beliefs in conspiracies? I think both exacerbate each other. Conservatives might believe more of the lies due to their media exploitation and I'm sure their media exacerbates their propensity to believe all claims conservatives are fed. But these studies are interesting. There are distinguishable differences between conservatives and liberals in this study, which claims to be the most rigorous research yet that US conservatives are uniquely susceptible to political misperceptions.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf1234

 

[iluvatar5150]

Maybe the reason conservative media seems so intentionally deceitful is because conservatives have been shown to be uniquely susceptible to political misperceptions in our current sociopolitical environment today. Empirical data suggests that conservatism is associated with a lesser ability to distinguish between true and false political claims, while having a tendency to believe all false claims.

To me, it's impossible to place causation blame on either conservatives or their media, but equally. Do conservatives believe conspiracies because of the media they consume? Or is the media to blame for their beliefs in conspiracies? I think both exacerbate each other. Conservatives might believe more of the lies due to their media exploitation and I'm sure their media exacerbates their propensity to believe all claims conservatives are fed. But these studies are interesting. There are distinguishable differences between conservatives and liberals in this study, which claims to be the most rigorous research yet that US conservatives are uniquely susceptible to political misperceptions.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf1234

In fact, that study puts most of the blame on the media environment itself - more of the false content supports conservative positions while more of the true stuff supports liberals.

 

[RoBo1988]

I just visited TGP and the comments are still there. I checked out the top story, a Caitlin Clark piece gaslighting about her being left off the American Olympic basketball team roster because she's white. Comments seem as hateful and unhinged as ever . I don't think Hoft could keep up consumer traffic without the comments section.

My news choices are Citizens Free Press, The Free Press(Bari Weiss), and Real Clear Politics. Commentary from Don Surber, Peachy Keenan, and Sasha Stone (the woman - there's a man by the same name on YouTube, that many confuse her with).

 

[Pommer]

Yeah, it seems like yesterday Rudy Giuliani was moving the goalposts. "We didn't collude with Russia" became "I never said we didn't collude with Russia. Besides, collusion isn't a crime anyway." Lol

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime.html

“…and the portions are so small!”

 

[Hazelelponi]

Laughable. But anyway, do you know who's a big league fan of 'government infringing' on the right to free speech?

On September 22, 2021, Trump commenced a lawsuit in New York state court against The New York Times, several journalists and his niece, Mary L. Trump,​

On October 3, 2022, Trump sued CNN in the Southern District of Florida, alleging that "CNN has sought to use its massive influence—purportedly as a 'trusted' news source—to defame the Plaintiff

• Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. Northland Television, LLC[18] – Lawsuit brought by the Trump campaign against a Wisconsin TV station for airing an advertisement criticizing the U.S. federal government response to the COVID-19 pandemic.[19][20]
• Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. WP Company LLC d/b/a Washington Post[22]
• Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. CNN[24]
• Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. New York Times[26] – The suit alleged that an op-ed piece in the Times titled "The Real Trump-Russia Quid Pro Quo" was defamatory.

Defamation of a person IS illegal

Simply saying something that turns out later not to be the truth after all is not a crime. Media have generally posted retractions for "lying".

No one is defamed by saying there's questions surrounding the 2016 election or saying they believe it was a "stolen" election or whatever.

The left does that all the time and aren't in trouble for it, and I've yet to see retractions for the left wing media lies these last years so ... There's that.

There's a difference between defaming an individual and criticizing publicly the election results.

 

[Hazelelponi]

My news choices are Citizens Free Press, The Free Press(Bari Weiss), and Real Clear Politics. Commentary from Don Surber, Peachy Keenan, and Sasha Stone (the woman - there's a man by the same name on YouTube, that many confuse her with).

I like Bari Weiss, that's a good outlet.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh, is the same reasoning behind the mass layoffs on the left media?

News industry off to brutal 2024 start as mass layoffs devastate publishers, raising questions about the future of journalism | CNN Business

The news industry is enduring a brutal start to the new year, with outlets large and small across the country hemorrhaging reporting staff as legacy business models that kept much of the industry afloat for decades collapse in plain sight.

amp.cnn.com

The recent round of layoffs, while pronounced, are part of a much larger and unrelenting storm battering the journalism industry. Over the past 18 months, most news organizations have been forced to make difficult decisions to reduce their workforces.

At the national level, CNN, The Washington Post, NPR, Vice Media, Sports Illustrated, Vox Media, NBC News, CNBC, and other organizations have cut swaths of their reporting staff. At the local level, layoffs have been nearly constant, with newspaper giant Gannett cutting hundreds of employees, and small outlets carving out already lean operations.