Let me ask you this.
Suppose I offered you an all expenses paid week to a fabulous resort with everything you could imaging provided for you for only five grand. Would that be a bargain?
Suppose I went further and offered to sell you a mansion at the resort. It would only cost a hundred grand, and it came with a full staff to provide you with everything you needed all included. Would that be a steal?
Suppose I went even further and offered you the kingdom of Heaven for all eternity. Would that not be worth billions, even trillions of dollars? What if I offered it to you for free and all you had to do was accept it? Would you?
What would you think if someone rejected such an offer?
Five grand is quite alot, to me anyway. 
But sure, if you offered me that, and all I had to do was accept, then I'd say yes. I'm not sure you are in the position to offer me a mansion though, and I'd very skeptical that this heaven you are offering me is real.
I wouldn't accept your offer, and I'd accept God's offer.
The Bible says that anyone who denies the existence of God is a fool. Why? Because the evidence is all around us. We might not have lived in a time when we could see His great miracles, but miracles still happen; mostly on a lesser scale. Actually, the Bible talks about fools quite often. In Proverbs 14, we read: "Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving." The fool is the one who rejects God; who rejects wisdom. Understanding this, it is not name calling to reference such Scriptural admonitions. Rather it puts things into perspective. Atheists are nothing new and nothing special. They've been around for a long, long time. There is not wisdom in their rejection of God; only folly in their belief that somehow everything came from nothing and nothing was designed.
I don't see this evidence all around us. I know there are claims of miracles now. I've met people who claim they were healed. I haven't been able to ask them about it much though. The thing is I don't find the claims of miracles to be justified with enough evidence. There can be other explanations.
Personally, I'm not sure everything came from nothing. I don't claim to understand the beginning of the universe, but it could have come from a timeless something.
People can claim through ignorance that miracles have happened when they have not. In fact, most are merely incredible co-incidences. Sometimes they are statistically improbable, but some actually do defy the laws of physics and other natural laws.
I haven't seen enough evidence for such miracles, and I come from a charismatic church, that is into healings and stuff like that.
Exactly; but that number was small and probably consisted of non believers. I think what happened was a vision; a sign if you prefer. I don't think the sun was actually doing acrobatics. I think it was an actual vision that had far too many witnesses to be mass hysteria. That some didn't see it actually makes it more of a miracle.
Well it said that some believers saw nothing. Also, wouldn't it make sense for God to do a miracle for non-believers anyway?
If it was a vision, it could have been the product of the mind. eg: One explanation in the wiki was that people were looking at the Sun too long, and that could have messed with their sight for a while.
I'm not trying to take away your faith. You brought these things up, and I'm just replying.
Neither does anyone else. They defy all known scientific processes, and seem to be limited to saints.
I'm quite happy to say I don't know. I don't think it is impossible for a body to be preserved for a strangely long amount of time.
Not really. fossilization can be recreated in a lab. incorruptible flesh cannot.
Sure, but if we don't know why it happens it would be hard to copy.
The witnesses are pretty emphatic. From the size of the woman who was pulled out, there is NO WAY she could fit through a 8" gap without some physical laws getting pushed aside.
We have no idea how large the gap was. They say it was 8", but that doesn't mean it was that small. That doesn't mean they were lying, but that the might not have looked at it properly because it was an intense situation, or they might remember it incorrectly.
That's why they never report seeing the same thing unless they witnesses an actual event, and even then they see from their own perspective. That's why it takes several witnesses to convict a person of a crime.
Sure.
I would doubt that claim very seriously. Their god can't even manage his diet. (Hey, come on. That was funny.)
I don't understand the joke.
Here, we both doubt what happened, but I wouldn't claim they were necessarily lying. I simply don't know what happened.
That one I understand. It's called False Memory Syndrome.
People's minds can do strange things.
Not true. You'll find that among people who major in physical science or biology because they have evolution drummed into their heads on a daily basis. If you don;t agree that the earth is 4.5 billion years old you WILL get points off for missing that question. Professors don't teach the truth. They teach their version of truth. To get good grades, you need to either agree with them or be VERY GOOD and validating your position.
I had a sociology professor who was very liberal. We never agreed on anything, but I got a 4.0 in his class.
Evolution has nothing to do with whether God exists. Lots of Christians believe in God and accept evolution.
Faulty logic; confusing coincidence with cause. That religious visions can be replicated under controlled circumstances does not mean that all religious visions are psychologically induced.
I agree. I didn't use that logic. But is religious feelings can be just psychological, and we know how they were psychologically, then there is no strong reason to think there is a God doing it.
Sorry, I don't believe you. I think you're lying to yourself. I think you know what you felt then and you wish you felt it now, but things have happened in your life that have led you away from God and now He seems too distant to be real.
What do you think happened to me? Nothing bad happened to me.
We live in a world populated by an increasingly godless society and every vestige of decency is under assault. It may seem like if there was a God that He's put an end to it. He will. Re-read the Revelation. Things will get much worse than they are now, but eventually the end WILL come. I believe it will happen in my lifetime. I may be wrong, but everything that was prophesied including the return to Jerusalem and the armies of Israel swarming around them has come to pass. Jesus said that nobody will pluck you from His hand. That means that sooner or later you'll have no place left to turn than to Him. You already know something that atheists don't know and refuse to allow themselves to believe; that God is real. You've experience His presence. That is NOT something you forget. Having dinner with a movie star or king is nothing compared to meeting the Father. You can continue to deny it all you want, but once you know the truth you can't go back to not knowing.
It's easy to find Him though. he stands at the door and knocks. All you have to do is open up and let Him in again.
Maybe there is a God, but he hasn't made himself very clear. So far it seems like God is something humans made up. It would be nice if there were a good God, but I don't see enough reason to believe.
