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OK...and I agree, the terms gehenna and hades and sheol in the text are temporal figuratives and temporal workings of judgments...leading up the the GRANDE FINALE... we cool with dat?
The 'rich man' was in HADES was he not? He was assuredly NOT in the LAKE of fire, as that is YET TO COME.
He was in 'the realm of the DEAD.' The DARKNESS. Sheol.
Deut. 32
22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
Could make some interesting connections here to the Lazarus parable as well and 'what happens' when the 'enemies' are divided and then what happens to 'them' alone as in 2 Sam. 22 and to those DIVIDED i.e. Lazarus.
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The word hell is a corruption of text by evil men.
The greek word for "greek" seems to be more closer to the word "hell".
The greek word for "greek" seems to be more closer to the word "hell".
I need to study on this word a little more.......
Reve 9:11 They are having upon of them a King, the Messenger of the Abyss.
Name to him to Hebrew, Abaddon and in the Greecian/ellhnikh <1673> name he is having apo-lluwn <623>
1673. Hellenikos hel-lay-nee-kos' from 1672; Hellenic, i.e. Grecian (in language):--Greek.
1671. Hellas hel-las' of uncertain affinity; Hellas (or Greece), a country of Europe:--Greece.
And that is the same Empire YHWH used against OC Jerusalem and the Temple, which I view Revelation as showingWhen Revelation was written the king of Greece was the Roman Impire. Italy.
Abyss is parabolic for a unknown.
The greek word for "greek" seems to be more closer to the word "hell".
I need to study on this word a little more.......
Reve 9:11 They are having upon of them a King, the Messenger of the Abyss.
Name to him to Hebrew, Abaddon and in the Greecian/ellhnikh <1673> name he is having apo-lluwn <623>
1673. Hellenikos hel-lay-nee-kos' from 1672; Hellenic, i.e. Grecian (in language):--Greek.
1671. Hellas hel-las' of uncertain affinity; Hellas (or Greece), a country of Europe:--Greece.
And that is the same Empire YHWH used against OC Jerusalem and the Temple, which I view Revelation as showing
John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him. And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away/arousin <142> (5692) of Us and the Place and the Nation" [Reve 6:6]
Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]
1220. denarion day-nar'-ee-on of Latin origin; a denarius (or ten asses):--pence, penny(-worth).
AV - penny 9, pence 5, pennyworth 2; 16 denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.). It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages. (Mt. 20:2-13)
The word hell is a corruption of text by evil men.
What I found interesting was how much the greek word used in Luke 16:19 comes close to the greek word for "abyss". The letter 'A' before a greek word generally denotes a negative.......Giving a lot of thought to OC and the fulfilling of it by the Messiah....this is DEEP.
What about the greek word #2928?Actually, there is no "h" (sound or letter) in Ellas (Greece) etc.
I don't know why its there ...
I don't know why "hell" was used to translate "hades" in the NT, but hell is from "hellen", meaning "to hide" (which is what Adam and Eve did after they transgressed ...)
Thanks Thekla.Yeah - it seems that krypto works for hellen/to hide ( hellen is Ger. ???).
It seems ides/hades is more like sheol; again, I don't know why "hell" was chosen. I don't know when in history the term "hell" took on its current meaning.
Greetings. How do others view that story Jesus told to the Jews in Luke 16 concerning the rich-man and lazarus. A parable or true story? This is one of the largest studies I have of the NT/NC.
I myself humbly view it as a "Covenantle" parable, but would like to here views from other fellow Christians of it. Thanks.......
Matthew 3:9 "And no ye should be thinking to say in yourselves 'a Father we are having, the Abraham'. For I am saying unto ye, that is able the God out of the Stones, these, to raise-up offsprings/children to the Abraham. [Luke 3:8/16:24]
Luke 16:24 And he sounding said: "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus!, that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water, and should be cooling down the tongue of me,--that I am being pained in the Flame,this."
From what I've come to understand through study [but in no way is it possible for me to know, with certainty, this side of Heaven] Sheol, the abode of the dead, is what Jesus decended into, into a specific compartment (Paradise) reserved for all who did good in thier lives [the Patriarch's and Prophets obviously among them]. He' preached to those in prison', and 'lead captivity captive', He bought Paradise with Him, to Heaven, the 'souls under the altar'..When Revelation was written the king of Greece was the Roman Impire. Italy.
Abyss is parabolic for a unknown.
Very interesting post zeena! ThanksFrom what I've come to understand through study [but in no way is it possible for me to know, with certainty, this side of Heaven] Sheol, the abode of the dead, is what Jesus decended into, into a specific compartment (Paradise) reserved for all who did good in thier lives [the Patriarch's and Prophets obviously among them]. He' preached to those in prison', and 'lead captivity captive', He bought Paradise with Him, to Heaven, the 'souls under the altar'..
Hades, the opposite side of the abyss (that great chasm that separated Lazarus and Abraham) [in which (the abyss) are the fallen angels, reserved in chains of everlasting darkness 'till judgment], is the abode of the dead who were unrighteous and practiced lawlessness.
These, and they in the Abyss will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is prepared, but not yet kindled.
It is not possible, as some here have alluded, that the Lake of Fire is eternal, for eternal, by definition, consists of having BOTH no beginning AND no ending.
It burns forever and ever, but it has a melting point, so to speak-meh
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