RFK Jr’s ‘Maha’ report found to contain citations to nonexistent studies

[DaisyDay]

Don't forget the music. Wellness influencer music is garbage.

I'm unfamiliar with even the concept of that.

 

[durangodawood]

Don't forget the music. Wellness influencer music is garbage.

Is that like yoga studio music?

 

[Desk trauma]

Don't forget the music. Wellness influencer music is garbage.

Never heard any but I’m positive I would find using a ten inch grinder and ten pound beater on plate steel without hearing protection easier on the ears.

 

[Pommer]

I'm unfamiliar with even the concept of that.

I’m guessing homeopathy with a dash of jazz-fusion AI “music”.
”Hear the correct music and you can throw your medications away!”

It’ll play out.

 

[essentialsaltes]

State health officials warn about infected raw milk​

It’s illegal to sell raw milk for human consumption in Florida. Yet, there have been 21 recent human cases of disease-causing bacteria linked to consumption of raw milk from the same farm, state health officials said Monday.

Mother sues Florida dairy farm, claims she lost fetus after raw milk led to bacterial infection​

Labels for Keely Farms Dairy in New Smyrna Beach warned raw milk ‘not for human consumption’​

The lawsuit — which also names the market where Maddox allegedly bought the milk — was filed Wednesday in Seminole County and claims Keely Farms shipped milk that contained Campylobacter and E. coli.

Maddox was allegedly unaware of any potential dangers while purchasing the milk in June from an organic, natural food store, according to the lawsuit. When she inquired about a label on the package that “said something to the effect (of) ‘for consumption by animals,’” she was allegedly told “that was a technical requirement to sell ‘farm milk,’” the lawsuit claims.

She told News 6 she had bought the milk off and on for months, and while she never drank it, her toddler and other family members had before with no issue.

[The toddler got sick, and was hospitalized, and it's thought she got the bacteria from the kid.]

In a post on X that linked to the state’s Aug. 4 warning linking Keely Farms to the aforementioned 21 illnesses, Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo wrote Tuesday, “Floridians have the freedom to make informed health choices. I support the decision to consume raw milk when sought for potential health benefits and protective factors. Be aware of your source and know the risks.”

[Maybe she should sue him, instead.]

 

[ThatRobGuy]

They are literally making stuff up to justify their policies.

I mean, you know what the obvious rebuttal to that is going to be right?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Mother sues Florida dairy farm, claims she lost fetus after raw milk led to bacterial infection​

Labels for Keely Farms Dairy in New Smyrna Beach warned raw milk ‘not for human consumption’​

The lawsuit — which also names the market where Maddox allegedly bought the milk — was filed Wednesday in Seminole County and claims Keely Farms shipped milk that contained Campylobacter and E. coli.

I would argue that a cow's milk isn't for human consumption... full stop. (Raw or otherwise)

 

[Hans Blaster]

I would argue that a cow's milk isn't for human consumption... full stop. (Raw or otherwise)

We have literally evolved to digest it. (Or maybe you haven't. I can't know for sure.)

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I've seen a few people cite the concept of "wellness influencers" and the nonsense they peddle.
(which, for the record, if a celebrity is pushing a product or supplement or fad diet, 99% of the time, it's nonsense)


The issue with that (in terms of trying to bridge public perception with reality), is that the "wellness influencers" often look a lot more "well" than the people who aren't. As the saying goes "optics is everything".

Not everyone in the general public is going to be able to separate the nonsense from the stuff they're doing that's actually working.


Case in point: RFK Jr.

To be honest, I don't know that I've seen another 71 year old who looks that good.

The reason he looks good? He's an exercise fanatic who watches his caloric intake, avoid excess sugar, and steers clear of fast food and processed food, and takes low-dose TRT (prescribed through a doctor) to get him up into the 500-600 range, and supplements with creatine.

He's promotes a lot of quackery, but if the message of non-quackery is coming from someone who looks like a slob, you can't necessarily fault a portion of general public for forming certain opinions about which of the two are the ones who "know what they're talking about".

"I just saw RFK bench 225 for reps at age 71...the person who says he's a quack gets winded walking up 2 flights of stairs" isn't a great look for mainstream medical science.

Compare the picture above with that of Peter Hotez, one of the scientists who's been a frequent critic of RFK

they're roughly the same age...if you saw each of these two gentlemen out in public, and didn't know who they were, which one would be getting "Wow you great for your age, what's your secret?" inquiries?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

We have literally evolved to digest it. (Or maybe you haven't. I can't know for sure.)

White European descendants have built up tolerances to it, but that's not true of the human race as a whole.

About 65% of the world's adult population is lactose intolerant, meaning they have a reduced ability to digest lactose after infancy. This condition is known as lactose malabsorption. The prevalence of lactose intolerance varies significantly by region and ethnicity—rates can be as high as 90% in some Asian and African populations and as low as 5-10% in populations of northern European descent.


We've also evolved to the point where we can digest bacon, pepperoni pizza, and Chicken McNuggets, those aren't ideal either.

Breast milk from a mammal is for the offspring of that species.


That wasn't me making some vegan argument either, I like ice cream, cheese, etc... just pointing out that those wouldn't be foods our species would be consuming if we lived out in wild.

The ubiquitous nature of cows milk among certain nations is evidence that "making things up" in the realm of human health and nutrition isn't a new phenomenon under RFK.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not everyone in the general public is going to be able to separate the nonsense from the stuff they're doing that's actually working.


Case in point: RFK Jr.

To be honest, I don't know that I've seen another 71 year old who looks that good.

The reason he looks good? He's an exercise fanatic who watches his caloric intake, avoid excess sugar, and steers clear of fast food and processed food, and takes low-dose TRT (prescribed through a doctor) to get him up into the 500-600 range, and supplements with creatine.

That and the 'roids and roadkill.

He's promotes a lot of quackery, but if the message of non-quackery is coming from someone who looks like a slob, you can't necessarily fault a portion of general public for forming certain opinions about which of the two are the ones who "know what they're talking about".

Which is why you shouldn't base your assessment on facts and not whether they look like professional wrestlers.

 

[Hans Blaster]

White European descendants have built up tolerances to it, but that's not true of the human race as a whole.

About 65% of the world's adult population is lactose intolerant, meaning they have a reduced ability to digest lactose after infancy. This condition is known as lactose malabsorption. The prevalence of lactose intolerance varies significantly by region and ethnicity—rates can be as high as 90% in some Asian and African populations and as low as 5-10% in populations of northern European descent.

Both the humans and the cows have evolved due to our agricultural modifications. We aren't drinking auroch milk.

We've also evolved to the point where we can digest bacon, pepperoni pizza, and Chicken McNuggets, those aren't ideal either.

Breast milk from a mammal is for the offspring of that species.


That wasn't me making some vegan argument either, I like ice cream, cheese, etc... just pointing out that those wouldn't be foods our species would be consuming if we lived out in wild.

The ubiquitous nature of cows milk among certain nations is evidence that "making things up" in the realm of human health and nutrition isn't a new phenomenon under RFK.

 

[Pommer]

I would argue that a cow's milk isn't for human consumption... full stop. (Raw or otherwise)

I haven’t had chocolate milk for a few years, but i wouldn’t want to live on a planet that didn’t have it available.

 

[Pommer]

I've seen a few people cite the concept of "wellness influencers" and the nonsense they peddle.
(which, for the record, if a celebrity is pushing a product or supplement or fad diet, 99% of the time, it's nonsense)


The issue with that (in terms of trying to bridge public perception with reality), is that the "wellness influencers" often look a lot more "well" than the people who aren't. As the saying goes "optics is everything".

Not everyone in the general public is going to be able to separate the nonsense from the stuff they're doing that's actually working.


Case in point: RFK Jr.
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To be honest, I don't know that I've seen another 71 year old who looks that good.

The reason he looks good? He's an exercise fanatic who watches his caloric intake, avoid excess sugar, and steers clear of fast food and processed food, and takes low-dose TRT (prescribed through a doctor) to get him up into the 500-600 range, and supplements with creatine.

He's promotes a lot of quackery, but if the message of non-quackery is coming from someone who looks like a slob, you can't necessarily fault a portion of general public for forming certain opinions about which of the two are the ones who "know what they're talking about".

"I just saw RFK bench 225 for reps at age 71...the person who says he's a quack gets winded walking up 2 flights of stairs" isn't a great look for mainstream medical science.

Compare the picture above with that of Peter Hotez, one of the scientists who's been a frequent critic of RFK
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they're roughly the same age...if you saw each of these two gentlemen out in public, and didn't know who they were, which one would be getting "Wow you great for your age, what's your secret?" inquiries?

He’s buff, so he knows what he’s talking about health-wise…nah, non sequitur in an appeal-to-authority kind of way.

 

[Pommer]

Both the humans and the cows have evolved due to our agricultural modifications. We aren't drinking auroch milk.

Venezuelan beaver cheese? (Cue the bouzoukis!)

 

[A2SG]

Venezuelan beaver cheese? (Cue the bouzoukis!)

Funny you should say that. I was sitting in the public library on Thurmon Street just now, skimming through 'Rogue Herries' by Horace Walpole when I suddenly came over all peckish. You know, esuriant. 'Ee, Ah wor 'ungry-loike!

-- A2SG, one who delights in all manifestations of the Terpsichorean muse...

 

[ThatRobGuy]

He’s buff, so he knows what he’s talking about health-wise…nah, non sequitur in an appeal-to-authority kind of way.

...but that's the point I was making, for a big chunk of the population, they view "looking fit" as "knows what they're talking about".

 

[ThatRobGuy]

base your assessment on facts and not whether they look like professional wrestlers.

People should...

However, that dynamic becomes even more complicated by the fact that the purveyors of the mainstream science and public health messaging have provided people with a mixed bag of nutritional facts & fiction.


If you recall, it wasn't the alternative medicine quacks who told people to replace their morning eggs & coffee with a bowl of refined grains & a side of toast with artificial trans-fat margarine spread all over it (washed down with a glass of orange juice).

Nor was it the alternative medicine people who pushed the misguided war on salt.


If the mainstream medical community had a 1.000 batting average, then the decision would be a lot more straight-forward.

Both the humans and the cows have evolved

That's fine, but "evolved to have a higher tolerance for something" isn't the same as "should be consuming it", as not all bad choices kill people overnight.

Take smoking, something people almost universally agree is one of the worst things a person can put in their body, health wise...

People can do that for literally decades before the really serious ill-effects from it manifest.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I haven’t had chocolate milk for a few years, but i wouldn’t want to live on a planet that didn’t have it available.

I don't consume milk as a beverage, I'll use it in recipes that call for it --primarily just because I don't like the taste all that much, but it's fine for people who like it (I do eat cheese though)


But the thing I have noticed is there is some "selective shock" when it comes to the foods that some of the "alternative medicine" types consume/promote, and the negative potential effects and risks.


What I mean by that, stories like the one that was linked earlier.
"Woman has this really bad thing happen after consuming raw milk... hey, RFK and that MAGA surgeon general in Florida have both advocated for raw milk, this is just more proof that they're bonkers"

However, when you look at the actual numbers:
10-15 million people consume raw milk every year

Over a 20 year period: approximately 2,645 illnesses, 228 hospitalizations, 3 deaths have been reported (Per the CDC)

A single Chipotle outbreak (of which, they've had 5 big ones over an 8 year period) can exceed an entire year's worth of illnesses attributable to raw milk consumption.

However, nobody would refer to someone as "cooky" if they said "Hey, I think the grilled chicken fajita bowl from Chipotle with brown rice is a pretty healthy option"

 

[RocksInMyHead]

What I mean by that, stories like the one that was linked earlier.
"Woman has this really bad thing happen after consuming raw milk... hey, RFK and that MAGA surgeon general in Florida have both advocated for raw milk, this is just more proof that they're bonkers"

However, when you look at the actual numbers:
10-15 million people consume raw milk every year

Over a 20 year period: approximately 2,645 illnesses, 228 hospitalizations, 3 deaths have been reported (Per the CDC)

A single Chipotle outbreak (of which, they've had 5 big ones over an 8 year period) can exceed an entire year's worth of illnesses attributable to raw milk consumption.

However, nobody would refer to someone as "cooky" if they said "Hey, I think the grilled chicken fajita bowl from Chipotle with brown rice is a pretty healthy option"

There's a pretty obvious difference in scale that makes your comparison kinda silly. Chipotle serves about 275 million meals per year, or about 20x the number of people consuming raw milk. And raw milk illnesses are generally linked to "outbreaks" as well - a dairy doesn't sanitize its equipment well enough or there's an outbreak of brucellosis in a farmer's herd, so a batch of milk gets contaminated and people get sick. The difference between that and, say, an outbreak of e. coli linked to lettuce at Chipotle is that the Chipotle outbreak represents a failure of established safety and testing standards, while the raw milk outbreak would have been prevented by simply pasteurizing the milk.