Revelation chronological or not?

Postvieww · Jun 15, 2015

vinsight4u said:
You don't think the outfits that the wife will put on and the outfits being worn by
His armies are the same in Rev. 19?

The souls told to rest, were given white robes. In Rev. 19 John seems
to see new clothes as to the wife being arrayed in fine linen.

Just so you know, I have still only read part of your post 91 so far. I saw where
you are linking scenes together and I wanted to build on that. I have made some
notes as to what you believe as to the immediately after trib events of the
6th seal and their link to Matthew 24.

1 Thess 4:14. On cell phone now more detail later

vinsight4u · Jun 15, 2015

Chicken Little · Jun 15, 2015

I vote as the events to the trib vials and seals and trumpets .. "chronological order" except for a few inserts which are for the history of laws, order of a the upcoming event. the history or thread of history, the establishment of laws etc is not in order because they are historical and are more of a overveiw of a legal concept .

the book is about Him revealing himself to us not just the world . that is why there is a special blessing for reading it. as to how he wants to reveal himself to us, it is a flow between you and him and how much you want to know I guess maybe .

vinsight4u · Jun 15, 2015

vinsight4u · Jun 15, 2015

Postvieww · Jun 15, 2015

vinsight4u said:
You don't think the outfits that the wife will put on and the outfits being worn by
His armies are the same in Rev. 19?

The souls told to rest, were given white robes. In Rev. 19 John seems
to see new clothes as to the wife being arrayed in fine linen.

Just so you know, I have still only read part of your post 91 so far. I saw where
you are linking scenes together and I wanted to build on that. I have made some
notes as to what you believe as to the immediately after trib events of the
6th seal and their link to Matthew 24.

vinsight black
postvieww red

You don't think the outfits that the wife will put on and the outfits being worn by

His armies are the same in Rev. 19?

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

I see no reason to think there is any significate difference in the attire in these two passages. Could be they were just wearing the clothes given when their souls arrived in heaven upon death.

The souls told to rest, were given white robes. In Rev. 19 John seems

to see new clothes as to the wife being arrayed in fine linen.

Rev 19: 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

One says clean and white one says white and clean, we can’t make something out of every small difference in like passages. Verse 8 says the fine linen is “the righteousness of saints.” No different than the souls in Rev 6.

Just so you know, I have still only read part of your post 91 so far. I saw where

you are linking scenes together and I wanted to build on that. I have made some

notes as to what you believe as to the immediately after trib events of the

6th seal and their link to Matthew 24.

vinsight4u · Jun 15, 2015

Postvieww · Jun 15, 2015

vinsight4u said:
Hi Postvieww,

Do you see a link between people that fear Him in Rev. 19 and those of the 7th trumpet,
just before the wife is ready to be arrayed in Rev. 19?

Revelation 19:5
Revelation 11:18

Rev 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

This scene comes “out of the throne” This tells the ones that fear him to praise Him.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This part is on earth. This one rewards them that fear his name.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

This says the “temple of God was opened in heaven”

The link I see is that both passages are at the end. Rev 11:18 at the seventh or last trumpet of 1 Corin 15. Rev 19 describes the second coming. The same event.

vinsight4u · Jun 15, 2015

Chicken Little · Jun 15, 2015

vinsight4u said:
When do you think John saw the trumpets angels for the first time, because
by Rev. 8:2 he is using the definite article when referring to them?

Revelation 8:2 //////the seven angels
So where does their story begin?

Revelation 15:1

Good question.. hum well right now my guess right now is that there might be two good answers or two better guesses than some of my guesses.
if you listen to Enoch He hints that the evil people in that time are given to the saint to completely destroy I think ? so is it the angels of the 7 churches ? ( to the angel of the church of ??) .
or is it the angels of the 7 wicked kings/ kingdoms/ horns? because I am sure they don't have a lot of job to do with such wicked kingdoms to watch over? how many righteous will be there then ? I mean surely those angels of the most wicked kingdoms will have the like legal right and legal desires to release His proclaimed destruction over those nations that were causing all these things in the earth and all that pain and blood and death.

right now I will kind of lean toward Enoch vision of some kind of thing I don't think I understand enough yet.

vinsight4u · Jun 15, 2015

Chicken Little · Jun 15, 2015

vinsight4u said:
I'm not familiar with what Enoch wrote.
In Rev. 7, John told us that he saw another angel ascending.
So he has seen more than one angel ascending, plus he has seen
the four angels that stand on the four corners of the earth. Something to
note is that the four angels set is being giving ways to harm things.///plagues
There is a difference between 7:2 and 7:3 as to what the four angels can harm.
The reason is by verse 2 John has only watched harms that can hurt the earth
and the sea be given to the four angels set. But then comes in the final angel
that is with the rest of the group coming from the east, and he has the trees
plague. He delivers that plague to the four angels and now they can harm the
earth, sea, and trees; but they are not to start those harms until the people
have been sealed by these other angels. The number of the other angels is
seven. They return to heaven and report to God how many people they just
sealed. John heard the numbers being reported and saw the seven angels at
the same time. This is why Rev. 8:2 refers to the seven angels which stood
before God. ///John had seen them stand before God when John heard
the numbers being told as to how many had been sealed.
This would follow the pattern in Ezekiel chapter 9 where after setting a mark of
protection was done, the holy being went back and reported to God. This holy
being also wore the same type of clothes as described on the seven angels in
Rev. 15 KJV when they leave the temple in heaven and come to the earth location
of one of the four beasts. They descended to go where the beast was////in the
east. This is why they ascend from the east to fill in the missing pieces of the
story in Rev. 7.
Ezekiel 9:2
Ezekiel 9:11
Revelation 7:2
Revelation 7:3
Revelation 7:4
Revelation 15:1
Revelation 15:6////KJV "clothed in pure and white linen" part

that looks cool , I will study that over some more tomorrow thanks.

Postvieww · Jun 16, 2015

vinsight4u said:
Okay, verse 19 is setting things up for the next set of seven plagues. That set will
end with both an earthquake and great hail. The ark is seen, and on the ark would
be the mercy seat. It too, is for the ending of the tribulation. God will stop hiding
His face from Israel and the people will hide in the rocks.

Rev. 19 has two comings in it. The times are there, but the scenes are not laid out
for each one. When Jesus Christ returns in the time of Rev. 14, He will wear one
crown. At the time of His return with His armies/saints, He will wear many crowns.
The armies will have already put on righteousness as the wife. If John was seeing
the same clothes as those in the time of 5th seal being given to martyrs that rest till
all come in slain, he would have used the definite article and there would not be
the part as to putting on righteousness.

KJV
"And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean
and white...the righteousness of saints."
Revelation 19:8

Before that time comes mystery, Babylon (*that slays the saints)
will be avenged.
Revelation 19:2
So the 5th seal martrys are done getting white robes.

1.If you believe there are two or more comings of Christ yet to be fulfilled, can you point to any scripture outside of revelation to support that? It seems you are hanging your hat on some of the differences in wording such as wearing a crown, and many crowns to make that determination. I believe there is only one coming of Christ yet to be fulfilled.

2. You said in post #107 “white robes -show martyrs”. Again I believe you are making too much of small difference in wording. What about white robes says martyrs to you?

Matt 17: 2 Jesus was transfigured, his raiment was white.

Matt 28:3 The angels raiment was white.

John 20:12 Two angels seen in white.

Acts 1:10 Two angels in white apparel.

Rev 3:4 Those from the church in Sardis who have not defiled their garments will walk with Jesus in white.

Rev 3:5 “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment”

Rev 3:18 “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment” said to those in the church of the Laodiceans.

Rev 4:4 24 elders in white

Rev 6:11 white robes given to the souls of them slain for the word of God.

Rev 7:9 The great multitude given white robes. Those that came out of great tribulation.

Rev 15:6 Angels clothed in “pure and white linen”

Rev 19:8 the wife “fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints”

Rev 19:14 “the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean”

I see no white robe, raiment or fine linen any different from any other. Again I believe you make too much from small differences in wording. White does not designate martyrs alone.

3. Who do you believe returns with Christ? Is it the souls of all dead in Christ or raptured, resurrected saints. If you believe the latter when did they arrive in heaven?

vinsight4u · Jun 16, 2015

vinsight4u · Jun 16, 2015

Chicken Little · Jun 16, 2015

" white linen " subject. I too disagree with him about it being martyrs, I think that white means a New body and a New life and New perspective and it sure does have something to the works/ testimony of the saints. but yes I think most of us will have to walk through death and he is our example.

and coming out of the great tribulation probably doesn't mean they all died in it , it can just as much mean some sort of rapture or resurrections like events.
but we do keep trying to make it so there is only one rapture like event when there has been many resurrections from the dead in part or at the time of Jesus of all of Abraham bosom were taken to heaven at his coming to them there . .. but two or that we know of were raptured, two never saw death / well yet.. Enoch, Elijah . so of course there can be more than one coming ( to get us ) and more than one resurrection from the dead , we know for sure there is at least two more comings to resurrect someone . these are all his comings ( to awaken us ) . what about a coming by his spirit to do a thing through us ? is that a coming ? I think so. if that is what you are being trained for it is the event for you to respond to what he has trained into you. so I think a lot of the wording around coming and resurrections and raptures is not well understood yet. by anyone.

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Interplanner · Jun 20, 2015

The being clothed in righteousness that is imputed to us is not an "event" in the Rev. It is what justification from sins is. Too much time is being spent on a defective question. Anyone can see that the object of the writing is not chrono-mechanical precision.

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