Revelation cannot be a future-timeline because the world keeps ending in it!

[BABerean2]

These next 36 hours are actually a high rapture watch time, but I'm certain you had no idea about that either.

Apparently, God did not know anything about your 36 hours either.


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[SeventyOne]

Apparently, God did not know anything about your 36 hours either.


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No idea why you think that, but you just couldn't resist the temptation of being a scoffer. Shocker!

Not really. I expected nothing less.

 

[FulfilledInHim]

Actually we are not experiencing anything extra-ordinary at all.
Just the usual respiratory disease that comes around regularly and Covid 19 is not as bad as many others; the death rate per infection is quite low.

But what is different this time, is the reaction of our Governments. They have decided to actively fight this infection and the result is our economies are shattered and may never fully recover.
This situation plays into the hands of those who want a One World Govt.
It WILL come, the Bible prophets predict it.

The Prophets NEVER predicted a one world government !!!! NEVER. It is no where in the prophets! And false teachers like you pervert scriptures in Revelation 13 to apply to something other than ancient Roman Empire Tyranny amid their attack on Judah in the 1st Century. You should be ashamed of changing the words of the prophesy of that book, and should expect the plagues promised in it.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Apparently, God did not know anything about your 36 hours either.


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Exactly. This is a stark contest between the Amil and Premil mindset.

 

[sovereigngrace]

No idea why you think that, but you just couldn't resist the temptation of being a scoffer. Shocker!

Not really. I expected nothing less.

Really? So anyone who disagrees with your extra-biblical error is a scoffer?

 

[sovereigngrace]

There are a number of verses that I could look up and post them here. But then if I could, then so could you.
The earth is a biblical word. The planet is a secular word that is synonymous to the word earth.

You are on your own concerning your own philosophy.
New heavens and New earth, is a makeover using the same (this) earth. Like giving an old desk a newer look instead of totally destoying it and starting with a completely nuther desk.

That the earth would cease to exist is contrary to scripture of the earth remaining forever, world without end.. that you allow to be a verse in the Bible.

But I suggest that you are confusing the word earth with the word world. There is a difference.

This world will pass away and behold a new world comes. But it's the same earth/planet.
There's no scripture that says it will last 8 thousand years.

God gave this world 6,000 years for man to rule it plus 1,000 years for Jesus to rule the millennium.

Just as there are seven days to a week, there are seven thousand years to the earth, then will come the consuming of this present world and renovation of it to be a new heavens and a new earth.
The time of man's rule of this world is finite. This earth is forever.
This is a rhetorical question used to point out what you said.. Why is it that you allow for either at some other time but not allow for an eternal earth in this time? That is a contradiction of your own case.

The creation of the heavens and the earth existed previously as being covered with water. And darkness being upon the face of the deep. As a result of God's pre-Adamic judgement. The scripture speaks of a world that then was.
There is no scripture that says that what God spoke into existence shall have an end.
Eternity is a form of time. Even in eternity time passes by. As noted in the scripture that to God the passage of a thousand years is like a watch of the night to a guard in a castle.

But, again you contradict yourself. You said above that the next version may be finite or it may be eternal. Yet you believe that God doesn't change.
Time is a portion of eternity.

And eternity would be involved to see if the next earth will be finite as you think this earth is.. or if God will next create an eternal earth, which implies that God changes the duration of any earth. But you said that God doesn't change.

It seems that you are confused about the subject of which you speak.

So, we are now in the millennium? 6020?

 

[Timtofly]

There is no use of the word instant. It is assumed or implied by the phrases "He said .. and it was so."
Where is it written in Revelation 21-22 that the change was instantaneous?

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Would that I could respond to all of your points in your post instantly.. but alas that's impossible. Most of it is your own opinions anyway and there's no point in responding to those.

Because things change instantantly. You are thinking off processes. Some phenomenon or processes do not change instantly. Since you cannot prove otherwise, it is your opinion against my alleged opinion.

 

[Timtofly]

Your point is valid bec the term Amil is really a misnomer. "Amillennial" was actually coined in a pejorative way by those who hold premillennial views. Amillennialists do not deny the Millennium but rather believe it is already in progress. One can say Amils are actually Postmils in the sense that they believe in Christ's 2nd coming after the current Millennium.

You still cannot logically say 1000 years is symbolic of 2000 years.

 

[BABerean2]

You still cannot logically say 1000 years is symbolic of 2000 years.

Can "lamb" be symbolic of Christ?

Can "dragon" be symbolic of Satan?

Can "stars" be symbolic of angels?

Is "thousand" symbolic of a large number in Psalms 50:10?

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[BABerean2]

No idea why you think that, but you just couldn't resist the temptation of being a scoffer. Shocker!

Not really. I expected nothing less.

When a Dispensationalist makes another Pretrib rapture prediction that fails to come to pass, why should you or anyone else be surprised that the rest of us are skeptical of the predictions?

We are scoffing at your Pretrib predictions, instead of at God.

John Hagee, and Mark Biltz made millions of dollars selling "Blood Moons" books.
How many refunds did they give when their predictions failed?


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[Timtofly]

So, we are now in the millennium? 6020?

It is interesting to watch amil argue each other.

 

[Timtofly]

Can "lamb" be symbolic of Christ?

Can "dragon" be symbolic of Satan?

Can "stars" be symbolic of angels?

Is "thousand" symbolic of a large number in Psalms 50:10?

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This is the Lord's Day call it anything you want, but it is still 1000 years. A day with the Lord is 1000 years. It is not a man made guessing game.

 

[sovereigngrace]

This is the Lord's Day call it anything you want, but it is still 1000 years. A day with the Lord is 1000 years. It is not a man made guessing game.

Classic Premil avoidance.

 

[sovereigngrace]

This is the Lord's Day call it anything you want, but it is still 1000 years. A day with the Lord is 1000 years. It is not a man made guessing game.

I already refuted this:

Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

 

[Timtofly]

I already refuted this:

Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

Your guessing game is not a refutation.

 

[Timtofly]

Classic Premil avoidance.

Classic Amil reply.

 

[fwGod]

So, we are now in the millennium? 6020?

That is your question. Since you introduced it into the discussion then I expect you to support it with scripture, or else admit that it's your spin of the wheel and stop on a random number kind of thinking. As well as explain why you posted it.

 

[fwGod]

Because things change instantantly.

It would seem that all of your use of opinions is some game that you are playing.. since one of your posts addressing another topic is given from a certain amount of a scriptural basis.. yet it has no scripture references to show it's basis. Even as my post that you first replied to didn't.

You posted
The Thief On The Cross, Thoughts Please

I don't know how old you are but you are either young enough to play such games or an adult that finds some odd sense of satisfaction in playing such games.

I'm old enough that my ability to type at length is limited so I won't be discussing anything further with you when I could be using my precious ability to type words by engaging in someone who respects people.

 

[sovereigngrace]

That is your question. Since you introduced it into the discussion then I expect you to support it with scripture, or else admit that it's your spin of the wheel and stop on a random number kind of thinking. As well as explain why you posted it.

It is your 7000 year theory that is man-made and faulty. Premils keep changing it every time their date-setting is exposed as erroneous.

 

[fwGod]

It is your 7000 year theory that is man-made and faulty. Premils keep changing it every time their date-setting is exposed as erroneous.

I don't set dates, I have a blog devoted to the gathered information against the setting of dates in predicting when end time events will happen. In particular the topic of when the rapture is predicted by a variety of people to occur.

So I wholeheartedly agree that setting dates is man-made and faulty.

When the disciples asked Jesus "when shall be the time of your coming and the end of the age?" That question is based on their Jewish culture Covenant knowledge concerning end time events. Jesus didn't reply by setting dates. He replied by revelation of the Spirit of God and knowledge of God's word. He spoke prophecy that has proved itself in it's unfolding according to the times set for those things to occur. One of them is the blossoming of the fig tree., corresponding to Israel. Though Jesus never gave a date the newspapers of 1948 recorded the event of May 14 with the declaration "The state of Israel is born".

Jesus said that the generation that sees it will not pass away until all is fulfilled. That's like the kick off of a football game.

If you think that the seven thousand years is moveable according to any premil whim.. another football term "moving the goal posts"..
then you don't know your Bible and you haven't paid any attention to those who have no doubt patiently explained the Biblical foundations for the eschatological teachings to you.

There are plenty of websites you can do a search and take time to get familiar with the topic.. at least enough so that you can make an informed case of your objections to it and thereby be better equipped than just using mere opinions, that btw, are faulty.
(I'm basing my conclusions on your post here, but I have no doubt that otherwise you make a very good showing of your Bible knowledge when it comes to other topics.)