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You cant save yourself, agreed? If works save us then they must be Gods works, i assume.
Believing is not a work. And people who add works to salvation are unbelievers. Most people on this website I notices believe in some kind of works as part of salvation.Taking the mark the does appear to be an unpardonable sin at that time. It could be evidence of a hardened heart that rejects the gospel to the point of blasphemy, meaning only true Christians will be able to resist. They rest, at that time, will have lost their window of opportunity.
This is compatible with many Scriptures that warn that there will not always be time to accept Jesus. There will be a time when it's too late. Heb. 4 gives good metaphors for this.
But to leap from that and say tribulation survivors must earn their way into God's favor, is works salvation and a false gospel. It is not true now, and never will be.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Again, I think you've misunderstood what people are telling you. Bearing fruit from faith does not mean you become perfect nor earn anything with those works. Works never earn anything regarding salvation.
And I would say your 90% is off. 100% can't do perfect works.
Something is off. You're missing what I and others are trying to explain to you, and getting defensive. The only one promoting a works salvation (albeit in the future) is you. Simply saying that faith produces some fruit is not the same as saying that fruit saves us. Works merely display your belief to others.
In your future view, works are the cause of salvation. In the historic Christian view, faith is the cause of salvation (for all time). Faith is also the cause of works, which, in turn, cause a good testimony (but never cause salvation).
This would be false teaching, because it connects works to salvation.
Also false teaching, applying works to salvation and the ability to lose your salvation.
This is what I though originally. But after reading it, it didn't make sense to me. It did not specifically say someone is justified by man, it is only an assumption. And the most confusing verse of all "Can his faith save him?" implying his faith actually can't save him (direct contradiction to other verses of Abraham's faith being counted for righteousness). And this is not related to the faith saving the man in need, it makes no sense on how the sentence is made. The whole book just does not say anything about being justified before man, but really a general justification by works and by faith.
This is the truth. It makes the most sense. Because the Jews were not justified by works and faith, it was always faith credited as righteousness. They were not saved by the law but the law was a schoolmaster for things to come. But it's different in the end times, when one will not only be justified by faith alone but by faith and works. As mentioned before, avoiding the mark, enduring until the end, keeping God's commandments, etc are all needed to survive and to get saved in the last days. So this book makes perfect sense addressing the twelve tribes of Israel during Jacob's trouble. It is a prophetic book. Talking about "count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;" and everything else talking about the tribulation in the last days for Israel. It's also near the end of the bible, it's definitely for the Jews during Jacob's trouble. There is no other way to interpret this to make sense. It made perfect sense when I realized this, it is for Israel in the last days.
Believing is not a work. .....
I think your attacking a strawman the problem isn’t through salvation through sanctified faith and grace, it’s with salvation being through sanctified grace and faith alone, which James specifically refutes when he says faith without works is dead which you don’t seem to be addressing. Nothing in the book of James teaches Sola Fide. If even the creator of of the doctrine Sola Fide knew the book contradicted it then who are you to argue that it doesn’t?James is talking to Jewish Christians that don't seem to have a problem with a works righteousness, because he never mentions it like the book of Galatians and Hebrews. He makes it clear in the first chapter he is speaking to believers, he does speak of salvation being a free gift of God:
Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. (James 1:16-18)They appear to have a problem with incomplete repentance:
Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. (James 1:21)This group was struggling with some kind of licentiousness, they had been born again and had the word of God planted in their hearts. James is telling them how to navigate temptation, to avoid the hazards of a believer. There is nothing here about the doctrine of justification by grace through faith because they already knew that, they were already believers. Paul goes through a lot of the same things with the Corinthians, they liked to say all things are permissible (1 Cor. 6:11-12; 1 Cor. 10:22-24)
Justified comes from a word in the Greek that can be translated 'just, fair right', it can also be translated 'justified', it can also be translated righteousness. James isn't talking about the justification that comes at conversion, they already have that. James is telling them to go on to maturity, the time when the believer manifests complete repentance and starts to be a fruitful minister.
Now this is not controversial, I think it's a popular discussion because guys like you get to argue it in circles with these pedantic one liners. Just a word of warning, don't trifle with essential doctrine. There is nothing here that is all that hard to understand if you bother to actually learn the doctrine of justification by grace through faith and read the book of James in it's proper context. This business of chasing works are needed for salvation is absurd, if you follow the context these people have been Christians for quite some time and know better then to act the way they are.
Isnt it likely that James is describing fruit of the Spirit? Those are Gods works arent they?
Nothing in your posts address James and the topic is not solo Fide. You just keep repeating the same pedantic rhetoric, in circles, regardless. James doesn't refute solo Fide, he mentions it twice in chapter 1 and moves on. All you have is a Latin clutch phrase and a couple of tired lines. I'm always a bit disturbed at how caeless some people can be with essential doctrine.I think your attacking a strawman the problem isn’t through salvation through sanctified faith and grace, it’s with salvation being through sanctified grace and faith alone, which James specifically refutes when he says faith without works is dead which you don’t seem to be addressing. Nothing in the book of James teaches Sola Fide. If even the creator of of the doctrine Sola Fide knew the book contradicted it then who are you to argue that it doesn’t?
...Nothing in the book of James teaches Sola Fide....
You misunderstand the importance of the grace of God. The grace of God is what is offered and that is through Jesus Christ, and is always a free gift.
The reconciliation was established by Jesus Christ in His blood and that was between Him and His Father. This was above and beyond any human interaction at any level. This divine reconciliation is the foundation of the Christian gospel, that reconciliation grants the very gift of faith and salvation.
2 Corinthians 5:18
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.
Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.
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