Revelation 20 from a non-linear perspective

JohnD70X7 · Jun 11, 2023

The book of Revelation is written in the original Greek but the Author is of the Hebrew mindset.

Briefly, the Holy Spirit (John 16:13) is the Author of scripture (2 Peter 1:20-21 / 2 Timothy 3:16-17). And the writing style of most of the prophetic scribes (the men who he wrote the Bible through) was of the Middle Eastern mentality... often times reverting back to a prior text to further explain or jump ahead then revert back to the point where the narrative was previously left off.

Passages in Revelation loop back to the cross Revelation 12:10 "now is salvation..." encapsulated in a brief recap of all of human history when the devil and his angels were cast down to the earth. Jesus referred to it prophetically in Luke 10:18 before he'd gone to the cross. So we must not interpret Revelation 20 with the Western mindset A,B,C,D... but B,D,A,C... etc.

JohnD70X7 · Jun 11, 2023

Revelation 20 (NASB95)

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 1:18 (NASB95)
18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

The angel is Jesus. Angel (malak in Hebrew aggelos in Greek simply means messenger: one who is sent by another usually a superior) The Angel of the LORD in the Old Testament (Genesis 22 specific example) spoke as God.

2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Thousand in the Greek is chillioi which is plural (i.e. thousands) and was understood to mean a very great amount of whatever it referred to without specifying the actual amount. In English we would say "never in a million years would something happen..." mil in the Latin is actually a thousand (interesting to note) which later came to mean in English a thousand times a thousand or the seven figures we now call a million.

But the Greek chillioi does not mean 999+ 1 but could mean 1,001 or 10,000 or 1,000,000,000,000. Thus far the chillioi has been some 1900 + years since the crucifixion of our LORD and the imprisonment of the devil.

3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

That release for a short time is the 70th Week of Daniel (the seven years in which there will be two 3.5 year tribulations: the tribulation of the patience of the saints, and the great tribulation).

4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

This is an overview of the Kingdom of God on Earth which came upon the death of Christ on the cross Hebrews 9:16-17 / Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). His kingdom has come and his will is being done on earth as it is in heaven (John 6:29 / John 16:27).

And when the beast is loosed on the earth, he will lead a global campaign against Christians (Revelation 12:17-13:18 / Matthew 24:15-24 ) who will have reigned with Christ for the thousands of years since the New Covenant began.

5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

This refers to the general resurrection (Revelation 20:12 / 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 / 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) at the end of the age when Jesus returns to earth with his saints (1 Thessalonians 3:13 / Jude 14). Until that point in time and history, only the LORD Jesus is resurrected. His is the first (and only) resurrection to date. And the age referred to her by the thousands of years is also referred to as the first resurrection / church age.

6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Revelation 1:6 (NASB95)
6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:10 (NASB95)
10 “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”

1 Peter 2:3–9 (NASB95)
3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For this is contained in Scripture: “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, “THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone,”
8 and, “A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

JohnD70X7 · Jun 11, 2023

Revelation 20 (NASB95)
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

Matthew 24:24 (NASB95)
24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

The beast will win over the hearts of all who are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God (who alone keeps us from being deceived) including atheists, skeptics, cultists, other religionists, and the Jews (John 5:43). IMHO this proves he will have to make his case he will have to resort to either miracles or scientific evidence to convince the world of his claims. If in fact he will be Judas Iscariot come back from the abyss, it may only involve blood testing / DNA to prove he lived 2000 years ago and the world will embrace him and all he claims. Even Christians would fall for his deception were it not for the Holy Spirit within us keeping that from happening. ← which will result in the death sentence on Christians for not taking the mark of the beast (generally by beheading since Christ's sacrifice crushed the head of Satan see Genesis 3:15).

9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Until the Christians are believed to be vanquished by persecution or "the rapture" the beast will palm himself off as the true Messiah (which is the only way the Jews would accept him).

John 5:43 (NASB95)
43 “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.

2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 (NASB95)
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Daniel expresses it thus:

Daniel 11:36 (NASB95)
36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

Having made a covenant affirming the Old Covenant in place of the New:

Daniel 9:27 (NASB95)
27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

But he will renege on that covenant with the Jews once the Christians appear to be all gone (Daniel 12:11) and revert to his Jerusalem (Babylon see Zechariah 5:5-11) built by his Moses Nimrod (Genesis 10:8-110). And when Jews realize they'd been had, they will become the globally hated refuseniks that the Christians had previously been. Prompting the Armageddon campaign to exterminate the Jews once and for all.

Matthew 24:15–20 (NASB95)
15 “Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
17 “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.
18 “Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
19 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

This is the very purpose of the great tribulation... to back the Jews into a corner so deep they will cry out to Jesus for salvation because nothing else will have worked.

Matthew 23:36–39 (NASB95)
36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38 “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39 “For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’ ”

Jesus was quoting the passage:

Psalm 118:25–26 (NASB95)
25 O LORD, do save, we beseech You; O LORD, we beseech You, do send prosperity!
26 Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the LORD; We have blessed you from the house of the LORD.

Hosha nah! (hosanna) Save Now!
Yehoshua HaMoshiakh (Jesus the Messiah).

And he will come:

Zechariah 14:4 (NASB95)
4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 (NASB95)
8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

Revelation 14:19–20 (NASB95)
19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

Zechariah 12:10 (NASB95)
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

JohnD70X7 · Jun 11, 2023

Revelation 20 (NASB95)

10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Judgment day / general resurrection day... the day when:

Philippians 2:10–11 (NASB95)
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

JohnD70X7 · Jun 11, 2023

JohnD70X7 · Jun 11, 2023

Some call this a-millennialism or even post millennialism. Neither is the case when you interpret the text (by the tutelage of the Holy Spirit of course) with the Middle Eastern mindset of the Hebrew Author. Otherwise you have two Armageddon scenarios which does not make any sense.

Dan Perez · Jun 12, 2023

JohnD70X7 said:
The book of Revelation is written in the original Greek but the Author is of the Hebrew mindset.

Briefly, the Holy Spirit (John 16:13) is the Author of scripture (2 Peter 1:20-21 / 2 Timothy 3:16-17). And the writing style of most of the prophetic scribes (the men who he wrote the Bible through) was of the Middle Eastern mentality... often times reverting back to a prior text to further explain or jump ahead then revert back to the point where the narrative was previously left off.

Passages in Revelation loop back to the cross Revelation 12:10 "now is salvation..." encapsulated in a brief recap of all of human history when the devil and his angels were cast down to the earth. Jesus referred to it prophetically in Luke 10:18 before he'd gone to the cross. So we must not interpret Revelation 20 with the Western mindset A,B,C,D... but B,D,A,C... etc.

What are your thoughts on 1 Peter 1:For prophesy came NOT in old time by the will f man , BUT holy men of God spake as they were moved by the HOLY SPIRIT ?

dan p

JohnD70X7 · Jun 12, 2023

Dan Perez said:
What are your thoughts on 1 Peter 1:For prophesy came NOT in old time by the will f man , BUT holy men of God spake as they were moved by the HOLY SPIRIT ?

dan p

As it says in 2 Peter 1:20-21 we are to know this first of all.

2 Peter 1:20–21 (NASB95)
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

This applies to all of scripture since all scripture is prophetic and came in the method described in verse 21.
Prophesy = profession (to profess) and prophet = professor.
To profess one could be speaking about the past, present, or future. So all profession is not about the future.
The same is true about prophecy. All scripture is the profession (professing) of God.

And none of it is open to the interpretation of anyone other than the Holy Spirit who wrote it through the writing professors / prophets.

To insure an interpretation is from the Almighty Spirit of God, we are to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21) including all spirits (1 John 4:1). And we can only do so by the scriptures (Acts 17:11, 2 Timothy 3:16-17) under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 28:9-13) in our quest to learn the truth from scripture (Proverbs 25:2, John 17:17, John 16:13).

All else... any other method or so-called authority will only end up in error (because it begins in error).

BABerean2 · Jun 16, 2023

JohnD70X7 said:
That release for a short time is the 70th Week of Daniel (the seven years in which there will be two 3.5 year tribulations: the tribulation of the patience of the saints, and the great tribulation).

Based on Hebrews 9:15, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary.

Is the New Covenant found in Daniel chapter 9?

Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible?

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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (See Rom. 1:16, Matt. 10:5-7, Acts 10:36-38)

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (See Heb. 9:15)

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
(See Matt. 23:38, Matt. 24:1-2, Luke 19:41-44)

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During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary?

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”.

Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below?

Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV)

Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?

We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled.

Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below?

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below?

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16.

Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels?

In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Watch the YouTube video below on Daniel 9 by Dr. Kelly Varner.

JohnD70X7 · Jun 17, 2023

I see a lot of debatable interpretations of passages that skirt the issue. But none that cut to the heart of who and what are the abomination of desolation Jesus himself spoke of in Matthew 24 referring to the book of Daniel ("let the reader understand") which juxtaposes Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:27 as prophetic of the true Messiah and the false messiah respectively. Which 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11 goes into great detail about (bringing out details of Daniel 7 and Daniel 11 regarding the false messiah and how he desecrates the temple.

At the heart of these debatable translations you (and the video) cite is antisemitic replacement theology.

Jesus spoke in Matthew 23 about how the Jews would see him again referring to the Psalm 118 cry for his help and his blessing when he comes and in Zechariah 12 and Zechariah 14 which also proves what God said in Jeremiah 31:35-37 nullifies replacement theology (also Romans 11).

Just because Darby and others have discovered what the amalgamation of scripture teaches does not nullify these truths nor give credence to erroneous interpretations like Jesus being the prince that shall come in Daniel 9:27.

The beast shall mimic the true Messiah. He will come as a lamb but is a wolf in sheep's clothing (Revelation 13:11). Do not be fooled by his lies or the lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

BABerean2 · Jun 17, 2023

JohnD70X7 said:
At the heart of these debatable translations you (and the video) cite is antisemitic replacement theology.

Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)

The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?

Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.)
Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.

Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:

“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.

Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.

John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…

"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?

JohnD70X7 · Jun 18, 2023

BABerean2 said:
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)

I've already shown you the verses that prove God is not finished with the Jewish people.

BABerean2 · Jun 18, 2023

JohnD70X7 said:
I've already shown you the verses that prove God is not finished with the Jewish people.

You have not shown there is a Plan B of salvation for modern Orthodox Jews outside of the New Covenant Church.

God is not finished with anyone who accepts the blood of His Son. He is the one "seed" to whom the promises to Abraham were made in Galatians 3:16. This verse does not say the promise was made to the many "seeds".

The original source of modern Dispensational Theology is found below in this video I produced for YouTube. There you will find the claim that God did not fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary. What does this claim do to the words of Jesus below?

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Genesis of Dispensational Theology

Revelation 20 from a non-linear perspective

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