Revelation 12:12

Leaviathan said:

To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

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The devil knows his time is short and his time is shorten because:

Matthew 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

This is all future and we need to be grounded in God’s Word so we will not be deceived:

Matthew 24:23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

When Jesus comes all eyes will see Him and those saved who are alive will be caught up in he air.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

What these verse tells us the devil is planning to impersonate Christs second coming just like he has made a counterfeit to everything of God. The only way we will not be deceived is the Word of God.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Once Jesus comes all sin and sinners will be destroyed once and for all. Revelation 20. Jesus will wipe away all tears and everything will be made new Revelation 21:4 Isaiah 66:22-23 and restored back the way God always intended for man to live. The devil’s time is short and he is trying to deceive as many people as he can. The devil appears to be Christ-like but his teachings are God’s Word taken out of context which we saw in the Garden of Eden and with Jesus in the wilderness. It’s not going to be obvious its from the devil if one is not grounded in God’s Truth through His Word.

Leaviathan said:

To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

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From the time Jesus Christ of Nazareth died,resurrected and ascended to the time Jerusalem and its temple was destroyed, Satan controlled the majority of Jews , those who rejected the Messiah. He continued the deception of the Jewish people as well as led the persecution of Christians through the same people. His time was shortened by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. The Christians fled while the unbelieving Jews locked themselves in. (Josephus can provide you with the details. )
Satan had his way for a short while.
This is not the futurist view.
Blessings.

Maria Billingsley said:

From the time Jesus Christ of Nazareth died,resurrected and ascended to the time Jerusalem and its temple was destroyed, Satan controlled the majority of Jews , those who rejected the Messiah. He continued the deception of the Jewish people as well as led the persecution of Christians through the same people. His time was shortened by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. The Christians fled while the unbelieving Jews locked themselves in. (Josephus can provide you with the details. )
Satan had his way for a short while.
This is not the futurist view.
Blessings.

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Do you think the way the world is now is God’s will for us? Satan seems to be still having his way with the lawlessness that abounds in every direction.

I am a historicist, not futurist but these are all future events as the Second Coming of Jesus is still in the future!

2 Thessalonians 2:1 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

SabbathBlessings said:

Do you think the way the world is now is God’s will for us? Satan seems to be still having his way with the lawlessness that abounds in every direction.

I am a historicist, not futurist but these are all future events as the Second Coming of Jesus is still in the future!

2 Thessalonians 2:1 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

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I am a partial Preterist. The last day is in a " twinkle of an eye". The way the world is now is the way the world has always been. The flesh in itself is evil and we are all still in the flesh. We have a choice to " walk in the Spirit" or walk in the lust of the flesh. Remember Satan is the tempter and deciever. He works through the flesh.
Blessings

Maria Billingsley said:

I am a partial Preterist. The last day is in a " twinkle of an eye". The way the world is now is the way the world has always been. The flesh in itself is evil and we are all still in the flesh. We have a choice to " walk in the Spirit" or walk in the lust of the flesh. Remember Satan is the deciever. He works through the flesh.
Blessings

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He will change us in a twinkle of an eye. 1 Corinthians 15:52
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

But His Second Coming with be anything but a secret or silent.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

SabbathBlessings said:

He will change us is a twinkle of an eye. 1 Corinthians 15:52
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

But His Second Coming with be anything but a secret or silent.

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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I believe Matthew 24 is speaking of 70AD. Lets not go down this road so the thread does not get derailed.
Thanks for engaging!

Leaviathan said:

To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

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Well we could ask the question "short in comparison to what"?

Is this talking the judgement of Satan? The "judgement of this world" as it relates to those who Jesus atoned for their sin? Is it talking about the end of time when the cosmos is recreated? Does the point of time of the commencement of the writing of Scripture play into this question?

In order to answer that, we'd have to figure out it's context in relation to the passage in Revelation.

Now in Revelation 12; the passage is talking about a woman who gives birth to a man child who atones for sin. So thus we know this "Satan's time is short" is connected to the life of Christ.

The Woman of Revelation 12?

Now who is this woman? She's in the "wilderness" "a time, times and 1/2 time".

We know the line to the Messiah started with Abraham who lived 2000 years before Jesus was born. The penning of the compilation of Scripture began with Moses; which was 500 years later.

Moses to Jesus is 1.5 thousand years.
Jesus to now is 2000 years.
That's 3.5 thousand years humanity has had the written revelation of Scripture.
Now if "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day"; is that what the 3.5; "time, times and 1/2 time" means?

Those whom Scripture came to are "the woman". The "church" in the wilderness. (Luke uses the term "church" (translated congregation" in the Old Testament) "in the wilderness" to describe the people wandering around Sini from the Exodus.
Acts of the Apostles 7:38

The New Testament was penned by the apostles, which has become what "the church" now deems as completion of the canon of Scripture. (OT and NT together).

So "the dragon" has been persecuting the body of believers for 3500 years now. It "fits" contextually and "fits" historically.

The Atonement:

Another thing this passage mentions is the atonement. (They overcome by the blood of the lamb.)

Scripture says all judgement is given to the Son because he is "the son of man" (John 5:27) Thus the atonement would at least be the commencement of that judgement; although it's final act (the "sentencing stage" as we might call it) doesn't happen until the current cosmos is recreated. (Which obviously hasn't happened yet.) The commencement of the judgement upon this world started with the atonement. It's conclusion is announced at the end of time.

"Short" in comparison to what?

Dispensational eschatology believes the world is only 6,000 years old. But if you were to take all the ages of the patriarchs and line them up end to end (except in places where Scripture is specific that X is the literal son of Y) you'd get a cosmos that's a little over 13,000. years old at our current point in history.

So if you are looking at the totality of history. The resurrection was only 2000 years ago, at the point where 11,000 years had already passed. One could argue that's "short" in comparison to the life of the cosmos.

Yet is this talking about the destruction of the cosmos or the dominion over creation being taken from Satan?

Contextually, this seems to be speaking; from the point Satan is cast out of (and barred from reentering) heaven. When that happened, the atonement had commenced. We know when exactly in history this has happened because John 12:31 tells us. Jesus makes this statement just before he leaves Jerusalem on his way to Bethany on the Tuesday evening just before the crucifixion (which Jesus was crucified on that Friday).

One of the things that happens to Satan, is that he's chained in the bottomless pit. Does that happen at the point he's cast out of heaven; (commencement of the atonement: i.e. "3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth") or does that happen at the resurrection? Or even Pentecost? I've gone through several passages in Revelation and have a hard time pinpointing where exactly in history is Satan chained in the bottomless pit?

From the best of what I've been able to deduce; we know he's chained in the bottomless pit at the beginning of the millennial reign of Christ. (Revelation 20:1-3)

Well, when did the millennial reign start?

The end of Ephesians 1 tells us that ALL dominion and power were given to Christ at the resurrection; despite the fact that He doesn't sit on His own throne to proclaim sentence until the end of time.

Pentecost comes and the proclamation of the gospel with sealing of redemption upon believers commences as a demonstration of the dominion of Christ over what Satan once had dominion over. (Because he'd stolen it from Adam; who like like Esau gave up his birthright for a bowl of porridge; Adam gave his up for a piece of fruit!) "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ". (Revelation 11:15)

So contextually, at the point Satan's dominion over the "kingdoms" that those whom Christ atoned for, dwell in on this earth; have those believers been "translated out of the kingdom of Satan, into the Kingdom of God" (Colossians 1:13)

The "time short" appears to be from the point Satan is cast out of heaven to the commencement of the millennial reign. Or in other words "3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth", and the sabbath prior to the resurrection.

Time, Times and 1/2 time?

Which shall we "circle back" here to the 3.5 measure of time question?

If time concludes at the end of the 3.5 thousand years of humanity having written Scripture? That would mean that likely we are the last generation.

We know that Satan is loosed at the end of the millennium to "deceive the nations once again" and at least at this point, it appears that politically there is some attempt to construct a technocratic communistic system of surveillance state that resembles the beast system in Revelation 13.

Now will "the great reset" actually get to complete material world manifestation?

Based on other parts of the Scripture; that does not appear to be the case. The global human population is too large and there's too many of us "littl'l people" for that measure of global control to be effective. (Thus why part of the agenda is to kill off a bunch of people.) (Agenda 2030). Yet 2033 is the 2000th year post resurrection of Christ.

Will that year play a significant role in human history?

(I don't know; we'll have to wait and see.)

Maria Billingsley said:

I believe Matthew 24 is speaking of 70AD. Lets not go down this road so the thread does not get derailed.
Thanks for engaging!

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It does, but also has a future application because Jesus has not returned for His Second Coming.

God bless!

Maria Billingsley said:

I believe Matthew 24 is speaking of 70AD. Lets not go down this road so the thread does not get derailed.
Thanks for engaging!

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I think you're "in the ball park" for Matthew 24.

That passage appears to be related to the atonement and how the resurrection of Christ commenced the destruction of the OT system.

The very end of that chapter does talk about the return of Christ.

From the point when Jesus says "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will remain. But of that day and hour (meaning the day and hour heaven and earth pass away)....

I think the ambiguity of that statement had connections to the atonement.

Yet it appears that from the point Jesus rose from the dead; he knew at that point when the end of time would be.

It is the last go around for satan (beside the inspired revolt at the end of the millennium).

satan will have1260 days or 3.449692 years

It is the last chance satan has to dethrone God by not having any alive believing Jews to enter into the millennium Kingdom of God. Kill all the Jews (Israel/women verse 13) and he wins.

Leaviathan said:

To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

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"Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Satan is mad, he lost that battle and was thrown out of Heaven and barred
from returning, now confined to earth in this end time. Satan knows the
scriptures, and knows his time for deception as god of this age is all most gone.

Leaviathan said:

To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

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I personally do not believe Satan is still in Gods presence feeling all the glory and power and all the fruits that go with the great I AM. I think being kicked out, ALL of what GOD is, Satan does not enjoy anymore. I take it as a grain of salt but I remember some man saying God treated him as if he was lost and doomed forever. He said he was before GOD (Judgment) in heaven and was so scared and thinking how can heaven be so cold.

Lol all this to say the demons said it best when they saw Christ "Son of God have you come to torment us before our time?". I believe this world reacts to sin. That is from OT where God told Israel if you do the same sins as those other nations the earth will spit you out also. So more sins..more this world reacts to it.

So yes as others said Satans time that lease so to speak is about up and he know its. And he is after anything God has created and will try to destroy it.

Why did Jesus come? What other things did His death accomplish?

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil —Hebrews 2:14

Leaviathan said:

To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

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Not for sure on the meaning of this particular statement, but we can use Revelation to interpret Revelation here. Multiple times in Revelation, John tells us that the time is short for Jesus to return.

Therefore, if we assume that this "time is short" is a reference to the same shart period of time elsewhere in the book, then there are two possibilities. 1) Preterism is true, and this is about something that happened in the first century, or 2) The "time is short" should be understood to include the whole church age since Jesus rose from death.

If we want to argue that the "short" period of time lasts for 1000 years, then obviously this isn't a literal interpretation. Those are just my thoughts

SabbathBlessings said:

It does, but also has a future application because Jesus has not returned for His Second Coming.

God bless!

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Does this mean He never shows up when two or three of you are gathered?

Gensys said:

Does this mean He never shows up when two or three of you are gathered?

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Perhaps you are confusing the Holy Spirit with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?

SabbathBlessings said:

Perhaps you are confusing the Holy Spirit with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?

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"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” —Matthew 18:20

You mean, that wasn't Jesus saying that? I don't know why they would put it in Red in my Bible. It could be an error.