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Revealing quotes from revered scientists.

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You mean the mountains of evidence that aren't there.

I love this denial fantasy as a Creationist debate tactic, especially when it comes from people who clearly have no familiarity with the actual evidence.

Here's the Google Scholar results for one very specific area - Caecilian evolution. There's 5,000+ hits meaning there's hundreds of published papers on the subject. I realize you want to believe they're full of nothing but blank space and question marks, but that's just not the case. They are full of evidence for evolution and that's just for one lineage.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=caecilian+evolution&btnG=&as_sdt=1,31&as_sdtp=
 
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Who are you kidding.
ToE describes nothing it just assumes "evolution did it", just meaning mutations survive selection.

Looks like you're still going to be waiting for one WotS.
 
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This was beautiful. I'm sorry that it probably won't be read.
 
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Evolution is a mathematical impossibility. Not adaptation actual evolution from one thing into,another.

A bit of friendly advice. You might want to stop before you embarrass yourself.

 
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Yeah.. you might want to try a different approach to having a discussion. Not sure what would be the best change of course for you, but this isn't working.

Show me a tree turning into an animal or vice versa and I'll be impressed. Or better yet show me an evergreen tree turning into an oak tree.

You appear to have absolutely zero understanding of evolution because those things would actually falsify evolution. Yet again, I suggest learning something about the subject before trying to attack it.
 
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...Poe? I mean, seriously? Look, "On the Origin of Species" is 157 years old. It's available online, you can read the entire book in full. You obviously didn't get this quote from the original source material, because if you did, you would have read just a sentence further to find that the entire point of the passage is Darwin explaining why this isn't a reasonable argument.

At this point you've been corrected numerous times on your misquotes, and you've pledged to do better, so why didn't you take the extremely basic step of just entering "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances" into google and clicking the very first search result? You could do this with basically any fragment of the quote and find the original source, by the way.

At this point, I'm kind of doubting that you're interested in a good-faith discussion here. You keep repeating the very same mistake over and over and over again. Are you doing it on purpose?

I refuse to believe in evolution.

This is true.

Evolutionists have no answers for my questions ever. They can never answer the how or why.

This is false.
 
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Possibly the best-known quote-mining product in the whole history of quote-mining.

And apart from that it shows a common but sad trait on the internet: not checking the sources of quotes borrowed from intermediate sites to see if they are genuine, unaltered and complete.
This one is lacking its utterly critical tail. (edit; as others have already demonstrated. This is WELL KNOWN.)
 
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Yeah, as others have said, a classic dishonest quote.

Doesnt it bother you that you are are using dishonest tactics?
 
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Unbelievable.

"They can never answer where the first molecule ever came from "

Hydrogen and Helium from the big bang, everything else from fusion in stars which later went supernova (thank you, Fred Hoyle.) We are indeed stardust. Also nuclear waste blown clear from failing fusion reactors.
Molecules formed when temperatures dropped below that needed for a plasma state.

"how did the moon just happen to be just where we need,"

You realise it's drifting away, used to be closer?
(and days used to be shorter too!)

"Jupiter is the right size and placement to balance the gravitas of the sun and hold the earth in its place "

Jupiter has an important role in the solar system, certainly. But nothing that it does perfectly. Mopping up loose pieces of rock, mostly, but the history of the earth and moon bear the scars of ones that got away and found us instead.

Who has been feeding you this stuff you quote? They are criminal.
 
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Ah, the pathetic old fine tuning argument. Oddly enough, life developed on a planet where the conditions are right for life to develop. Which is why there is life on Earth but not on Venus. There may be a few other planets in our galaxy which happen to have similar conditions and may also have life.

You might as well say that God perfectly designed that puddle to fit precisely into that hole. It's a nonsense argument.
 
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You know you've really hit a low when you make a dishonest quote that's too far for Answers in Genesis. https://answersingenesis.org/charles-darwin/didnt-darwin-call-the-evolution-of-the-eye-absurd/
 
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I mentioned this before but maybe you didn't spot it, Leonard Susskin makes no mention of 'fine tuning' in the quote you attributed to him, he actually says "The notorious cosmological constant is not quite zero, as it was thought to be. This is a cataclysm and the only way that we know how to make any sense of it is through the reviled and despised Anthropic Principle".

Unlike you, I'll be honest and say upfront that I haven't read Susskind's book, String theory isn't something I can get my head around. I can use google however and Susskind is firmly against the idea that the universe is fine tuned by a benevolent creator. Not only have 'you' misrepresented his views, you have also added religiously loaded terms to the quote that shouldn't be there, is that honest?

This is from an interview with Susskind in American Scientist in which he quotes another of your quote mine victims Steven Weinberg....

"How do you respond to critics who see the anthropic approach as quasi-religious or unscientific?

I cannot put it better than Steven Weinberg did in a recent paper:

Finally, I have heard the objection that, in trying to explain why the laws of nature are so well suited for the appearance and evolution of life, anthropic arguments take on some of the flavor of religion. I think that just the opposite is the case. Just as Darwin and Wallace explained how the wonderful adaptations of living forms could arise without supernatural intervention, so the string landscape may explain how the constants of nature that we observe can take values suitable for life without being fine-tuned by a benevolent creator. "



Did you read that last line? Your quotes in no way help your fine tuning argument, in fact if you understood the sources of the quotes you'd see that they are both much cleverer men than you or I arguing exactly the oppostite!

It's been explained to you why quote mining is dishonest and yet you continue with this behaviour. Do you really feel it helps your case? I suggest you take a moment to think about the tactics you've been using and what having to resort to such tactics implies. This sort of intellectually dishonesty reflects badly on Christians of all types.

 
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I don't think most of us care if you're sorry, we care that you don't do it again. Seriously, at what point are you going to say, "Hmm, maybe I should stop taking these quotes at their word and actually look up the context"? It should have been 15-odd pages ago.
 
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