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That's not evidence of evolution. Its fossils found in rocks from things that died. Where is the evidence that those particular creatures evolved into a creature in the end.

The evidence is that they have a mixture of features from two divergent taxa which is exactly what we should see if evolution is true. The fossils also fall into the same nested hierarchy that living species fall into. For example, you don't see any fossils with a mixture of bird and mammal features, but you do see fossils with a mixture of reptile and mammal features, just as you should if evolution is true. That is the evidence.

How do you KNOW that the creatures were evolving.

We know what mixture of features past life should have had and should not have had if evolution is true. When the fossil record matches the predictions made by the theory, the theory is confirmed.

How do you KNOW they weren't their own unique creature. You don't. You assume and suppose based on your belief in evolution.

We conclude that evolution occurred because all of the fossils match the predictions made by the theory. It is a conclusion, not an assumption.

You may try and reproduce some sense of evolution in a lab. But man is intervening in the process and directing the process. In essence using his intelligence. which then become intelligent design.

Nature already did the experiments for us, and we can observe the results in the genomes of living species. Those genomes are a direct record of a species ancestry, and we use that direct record to test the theory.

A creationist looks at the world and says look at all the variety of trees and plants and insect and birds and fish and all the amazing creatures in this planet. God did an amazing job in creating all this diversity. And look how he made the earth to support all this life to provide water and food and how it all works together so incredibly. God is amazing. Even though neither I nor anyone I was there to observe it. And I can't reproduce creation for I am,not God.

I see a lot of claims, but zero evidence.

An evolutionist looks at the world and sees trees and says look at all these varities of trees and they are all trees with similar characteristics. Therefore they all came from the same ancestor.

That is a flat out lie. That is not what biologists say.

What biologists say is that shared and derived features fall into a nested hierarchy, and it is this nested hierarchy that evidences common ancestry and evolution. It was one of the very first pieces of evidence that I gave you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#nested_hierarchy

Are you telling me that you didn't even read it?

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Since creationists refuse to actually look at the evidence, perhaps posting the evidence in the threads will cause them to at least acknowledge it.

"As seen from the phylogeny in Figure 1, the predicted pattern of organisms at any given point in time can be described as "groups within groups", otherwise known as a nested hierarchy. The only known processes that specifically generate unique, nested, hierarchical patterns are branching evolutionary processes. Common descent is a genetic process in which the state of the present generation/individual is dependent only upon genetic changes that have occurred since the most recent ancestral population/individual. Therefore, gradual evolution from common ancestors must conform to the mathematics of Markov processes and Markov chains. Using Markovian mathematics, it can be rigorously proven that branching Markovian replicating systems produce nested hierarchies (Givnish and Sytsma 1997; Harris 1989; Norris 1997). For these reasons, biologists routinely use branching Markov chains to effectively model evolutionary processes, including complex genetic processes, the temporal distributions of surnames in populations (Galton and Watson 1874), and the behavior of pathogens in epidemics.

The nested hierarchical organization of species contrasts sharply with other possible biological patterns, such as the continuum of "the great chain of being" and the continuums predicted by Lamarck's theory of organic progression (Darwin 1872, pp. 552-553; Futuyma 1998, pp. 88-92). Mere similarity between organisms is not enough to support macroevolution; the nested classification pattern produced by a branching evolutionary process, such as common descent, is much more specific than simple similarity. Real world examples that cannot be objectively classified in nested hierarchies are the elementary particles (which are described by quantum chromodynamics), the elements (whose organization is described by quantum mechanics and illustrated by the periodic table), the planets in our Solar System, books in a library, or specially designed objects like buildings, furniture, cars, etc."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#nested_hierarchy
 
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That's not evidence of evolution. Its fossils found in rocks from things that died. Where is the evidence that those particular creatures evolved into a creature in the end. You don't have it. Yet you believe it. Why? Because of the dogma of evolution. You believe in evolution therefore everything we find must be evolved or evolving. How do you KNOW that the creatures were evolving. How do you KNOW they weren't their own unique creature. You don't. You assume and suppose based on your belief in evolution. The fact remains evolution cannot and has never been proven because it cannot be scientifically observed or recreated. It cannot be scientifically observed because it takes so long to happen according to the belief. It cannot be tested or reproduced because the claim is it happens by chance.

You may try and reproduce some sense of evolution in a lab. But man is intervening in the process and directing the process. In essence using his intelligence. which then become intelligent design.

A creationist looks at the world and says look at all the variety of trees and plants and insect and birds and fish and all the amazing creatures in this planet. God did an amazing job in creating all this diversity. And look how he made the earth to support all this life to provide water and food and how it all works together so incredibly. God is amazing. Even though neither I nor anyone I was there to observe it. And I can't reproduce creation for I am,not God.

An evolutionist looks at the world and sees trees and says look at all these varities of trees and they are all trees with similar characteristics. Therefore they all came from the same ancestor. Then they look at all the animals. They all have some similarities like eyes and,mouths and jawbones and ears so they must have evolved from same ancestor. Evolution is incredible. Even though neither I nor anyone was there to observe any of it. And I can't reproduce it because I am not nature.

It is all based on faith and dogma. What I see as the awsomeness of God, the evolutionist sees the Awsomeness of nature.

The evolutionist falls into the category prescribed in Romans as worshipping the creation rather than the creator. Why? Because they will not believe in God. And in the end those that refuse to believe in God will,be without excuse.

Did you get a chance to look at that evidence (Loudmouth's ERV thread) I pointed you to?
 
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Here are a few quotes for you Hieronymus, I know you enjoy 'em. Don't take them too seriously, they're only opinions.

The argument that the literal story of Genesis can qualify as science collapses on three major grounds: the creationists' need to invoke miracles in order to compress the events of the earth's history into the biblical span of a few thousand years; their unwillingness to abandon claims clearly disproved, including the assertion that all fossils are products of Noah's flood; and their reliance upon distortion, misquote, half-quote, and citation out of context to characterize the ideas of their opponents. [Stephen Jay Gould, "The Verdict on Creationism", The Skeptical Inquirer, Winter 87/88, pg. 186]


Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles. [Dr. James D. Watson, winner of the Nobel prize for his co-discovery of the structure of DNA]


Evolution does not require the nonexistance of God, it merely allows for it. That alone is enough to evoke condemnation from those who fear the nonexistance of God more than they fear God Himself. [Keith Doyle, talk.origins posting]


Geology shows that fossils are of different ages. Paleontology shows a fossil sequence, the list of species represented changes through time. Taxonomy shows biological relationships among species. Evolution is the explanation that threads it all together. Creationism is the practice of squeeezing one's eyes shut and wailing "does not!. [Dr.Pepper@f241.n103.z1.fidonet.org]

 
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