Retroactive salvation

[Isatis]

How were Old Testament people saved?

 

[AndOne]

How were Old Testament people saved?

The same way New Testamen people are.

 

[ThePottersVessel]

This is by no means the definative answer for the subject but I find Galatians 3:6-9 to be helpful in our understanding of just how God dealt with people in the OT

Galatians 3:6-9: just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

 

[ChristianT]

Traditionally, I believe, the response has been that the OT saints were saved due to their acknowledging the future Christ who would reunite them with God (as Job alluded to in his time, and the prophets prophesied in theirs). They were saved - as Paul said - by their faith in God and their active decisions made on that faith. Their faith was - as Abraham - accounted to them as righteousness because they believed God in what He said and actively displayed this trust.

 

[Skala]

Same way NT people are saved: faith in God's promise of a messiah

 

[bling]

God forgave their sins.

 

[Isatis]

Same way NT people are saved: faith in God's promise of a messiah

scripture please.

 

[Butch5]

scripture please.

They'll be saved at the resurrection through faith just as Christians will be.

 

[AndOne]

scripture please.

See Hebrews ch 9-12.

 

[drjean]

OT believers were saved through their faith, yes, but did not experience the age of Grace as we have. Once a year they brought their sacrifices for atonement, and if God accepted them, they were covered for another year. They did this by faith that God would keep His promise of sending a Messiah. The Holy Spirit did not indwell them and seal them as He does today.

Just as we look back at the cross, in faith that Jesus/Yeshua/Messiah did come and die on the cross for our sins, and accept His payment to redeem us... the OT people looked forward to the cross/coming of the Messiah for redemption.

They proved their faith by their works of bringing the sacrifice.
We prove our faith by sharing the gospel with others and serving God.

 

[PastorTeacher]

OT believers were saved through their faith, yes, but did not experience the age of Grace as we have. Once a year they brought their sacrifices for atonement, and if God accepted them, they were covered for another year. They did this by faith that God would keep His promise of sending a Messiah. The Holy Spirit did not indwell them and seal them as He does today.

Just as we look back at the cross, in faith that Jesus/Yeshua/Messiah did come and die on the cross for our sins, and accept His payment to redeem us... the OT people looked forward to the cross/coming of the Messiah for redemption.

They proved their faith by their works of bringing the sacrifice.
We prove our faith by sharing the gospel with others and serving God.

Thats how I was always taught and found to be true. I agree with you 100%. Not to many Preachers out there teaching that. I hope every notes the word atonement. The Hebrew word is kaphar, meaning "to cover". Christ did not come to cover our sins but remove our sins. Therefore there is no atonement in Christ, only forgiveness and salvation. Thus, Romans 5:11 is a mistranslation using the word atonement instead of reconciliation. I'm curious Dr. Jean if you believe in the two deaths of Christ on the cross?

 

[Hammster]

Thats how I was always taught and found to be true. I agree with you 100%. Not to many Preachers out there teaching that. I hope every notes the word atonement. The Hebrew word is kaphar, meaning "to cover". Christ did not come to cover our sins but remove our sins. Therefore there is no atonement in Christ, only forgiveness and salvation. Thus, Romans 5:11 is a mistranslation using the word atonement instead of reconciliation. I'm curious Dr. Jean if you believe in the two deaths of Christ on the cross?

What's the difference atonement and reconciliation?

 

[PastorTeacher]

What's the difference atonement and reconciliation?

Atonement is a covering of sin. The Hebrew word kaphar means to cover. The Jews of the Old Testament would offer an animal scarf ice for the atonement of their sins. So their sins were forgiven on the grounds that God covered their sins until the day when His Son would take them upon Himself on the cross. Reconciliation is God reconciling (bringing) man back to Himself. In other words, we have been reconciled to God through our faith in Christ Jesus.

Atonement = covering
Reconciliation = bring back

 

[Hammster]

Atonement is a covering of sin. The Hebrew word kaphar means to cover. The Jews of the Old Testament would offer an animal scarf ice for the atonement of their sins. So their sins were forgiven on the grounds that God covered their sins until the day when His Son would take them upon Himself on the cross. Reconciliation is God reconciling (bringing) man back to Himself. In other words, we have been reconciled to God through our faith in Christ Jesus.

Atonement = covering
Reconciliation = bring back

You may want to do a bit more study on the words.

 

[Forge3]

Day by day stone by stone build your secret slowly. Day by day you'll grow too...you'll know heaven's glory. Simple joys are holy. If you want your dream to be...build it sure and slowly. Small beginnings greater ends... heartfelt work grows purely. If you want to be free take your time and grow slowly.

 

[PastorTeacher]

You may want to do a bit more study on the words.

No need but thank you. You see, I do understand that reconcile can be translated atonement, but that is not what is ment here nor the proper translation of.

 

[Hammster]

No need but thank you. You see, I do understand that reconcile can be translated atonement, but that is not what is ment here nor the proper translation of.

So what's the purpose of covering sin?

 

[bling]

Atonement is a covering of sin. The Hebrew word kaphar means to cover. The Jews of the Old Testament would offer an animal scarf ice for the atonement of their sins. So their sins were forgiven on the grounds that God covered their sins until the day when His Son would take them upon Himself on the cross. Reconciliation is God reconciling (bringing) man back to Himself. In other words, we have been reconciled to God through our faith in Christ Jesus.

Atonement = covering
Reconciliation = bring back

Kaphar is talked about being done to objects that have not sinned, so what is being “covered”?

Mary after birth offered the customary offering that was a Kaphar for her after 7 days after the birth of a Jewish boy so was that for her “sins”?

Kaphar seems to also be used to mean a cleansing and when used for humans it is an inward cleansing and not a covering of some sins found outside of the individual?

Lev. 5 also talks about Kaphar with a grain offering so how does that fit your definition?

 

[PastorTeacher]

No point in kicking a dead horse. Actually I think it's illegal in some states.