Having read and viewed historical documents, there is some evidence to support that early Christians did actually worship on the Sabbath day of the week. Has Restoration Movement churches researched this, and has there been any discussions about restoring worship to the Sabbath day following the practices of early Christians? From what I gather, the day of worship was changed in the 300's by Constantine. I know other churches have come to this conclusion, but why not those promoting the restoration of the first church?
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I'm not versed on the history of this issue at all. I'm sure there are people who've looked into it, but I wouldn't be one of them. I doubt it's a doctrinal issue as much as one of tradition, though I suspect it's not without some basis.
Personally, I'm not convicted one way or the other the issue is relevant to our commission.
Personally, I'm not convicted one way or the other the issue is relevant to our commission.
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I think your right, Doof. Probably mostly a issue of tradition. I attend a Church of God. Fairly traditional. I haven't discussed the topic with my pastor. I seriously doubt they would consider changing the day of worship. I was hoping to get more of a response from Restoration Church folks. Obviously, they are avoiding the issue.
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Well, I became a Christian in a church of Christ some 28 (losing count 
) years ago and have attended a church of Christ most of my Christian life - though we're attending a Christian church now - the local cofC having gone a little too liberal for our tastes/convictions so we really don't have much choice.
So, point being - I'm not avoiding the issue, I've just never been convicted by it one way or the other and so haven't put much study into it as a consequence.
I've only been posting here a couple of days - from what I can tell, there isn't much activity here at all so perhaps that's why you're not getting much in the way of response...?
) years ago and have attended a church of Christ most of my Christian life - though we're attending a Christian church now - the local cofC having gone a little too liberal for our tastes/convictions so we really don't have much choice. So, point being - I'm not avoiding the issue, I've just never been convicted by it one way or the other and so haven't put much study into it as a consequence.
I've only been posting here a couple of days - from what I can tell, there isn't much activity here at all
so perhaps that's why you're not getting much in the way of response...?
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You can't restore something that never existed.
Please note that only the Jews were given a sabbath day to observe. The Sabbath was a “sign” (Ex. 31:13) between God and Israel, given at Horeb – see Deut. 5. This was a day of REST – not a day of worship.
This covenant with Israel (the covenant referred to as “old” – ei. Hebrews 8:13), was made only with the Jews (cf. Romans 3:2, 28-29) and became obsolete (Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:7) after the cross (Hebrews 8:6).
There is a new covenant (Hebrews 9:18), that followers of Christ are to minister and worship under today (2 Corinthians 3:6, Romans 7:4).
This covenant does NOT contain a “sabbath” day.
Christians were not given a day of “rest”.
The Sunday factor…
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1 – Jesus arose upon “the first day of the week….”
Acts 2 – Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16).
Acts 2 – The church was established on Sunday and “repentance and remission of sins” were preached first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 – and these that “gladly accepted the word” were “added to the saved”.
Acts 20:7 – The early church met on “the first day of the week” for communion.
1 Corinthians 16:2 – Early church “collections” were directed to be done “upon the first day of the week…”.
If Sunday is the “first day of the week” – and it is…
then the only scriptural conclusion I can make is that Sunday is significant!
It IS a matter of doctrine – as opposed to tradition.
Sunday is the day of significance for Christians today.
Scripture shows this to be certain.
Please note that only the Jews were given a sabbath day to observe. The Sabbath was a “sign” (Ex. 31:13) between God and Israel, given at Horeb – see Deut. 5. This was a day of REST – not a day of worship.
This covenant with Israel (the covenant referred to as “old” – ei. Hebrews 8:13), was made only with the Jews (cf. Romans 3:2, 28-29) and became obsolete (Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:7) after the cross (Hebrews 8:6).
There is a new covenant (Hebrews 9:18), that followers of Christ are to minister and worship under today (2 Corinthians 3:6, Romans 7:4).
This covenant does NOT contain a “sabbath” day.
Christians were not given a day of “rest”.
The Sunday factor…
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1 – Jesus arose upon “the first day of the week….”
Acts 2 – Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16).
Acts 2 – The church was established on Sunday and “repentance and remission of sins” were preached first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 – and these that “gladly accepted the word” were “added to the saved”.
Acts 20:7 – The early church met on “the first day of the week” for communion.
1 Corinthians 16:2 – Early church “collections” were directed to be done “upon the first day of the week…”.
If Sunday is the “first day of the week” – and it is…
then the only scriptural conclusion I can make is that Sunday is significant!
It IS a matter of doctrine – as opposed to tradition.
Sunday is the day of significance for Christians today.
Scripture shows this to be certain.
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Apollos1,
My issue isn't whether the sabbath day was done away with or not. Obviously there are different opinions. You present a strong case for your view, as do those who support the continuance of Sabbath day observance.
My contention is that there is strong evidence that the early Christians day of worship was on the seventh day of the week. Call it Sabbath or not! My question is that if those in the Restoration Movement seek to return the Church to that state of the early Church, why not be consistent and restore worship to the seventh day?
My issue isn't whether the sabbath day was done away with or not. Obviously there are different opinions. You present a strong case for your view, as do those who support the continuance of Sabbath day observance.
My contention is that there is strong evidence that the early Christians day of worship was on the seventh day of the week. Call it Sabbath or not! My question is that if those in the Restoration Movement seek to return the Church to that state of the early Church, why not be consistent and restore worship to the seventh day?
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This is a valid question. If our creed is "Only Christ" and following in His literal footsteps then observance of the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday would certainly be appropriate and should be considered and studied by all believers. Christ gave no intimation whatsoever that one of the cardinal Ten Commandments (the Sabbath) was to be altered by His disciples from its original implementation.
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Paul1965 said -
My issue isn't whether the sabbath day was done away with or not. Obviously there are different opinions. You present a strong case for your view, as do those who support the continuance of Sabbath day observance.
My contention is that there is strong evidence that the early Christians day of worship was on the seventh day of the week. Call it Sabbath or not! My question is that if those in the Restoration Movement seek to return the Church to that state of the early Church, why not be consistent and restore worship to the seventh day?
Paul1965 -
My issue is that the Bible (specifically the New Testament) only presents evidence to support the first day of the week as the day of assembly and worship for the saints. The FIRST day of the week is significant as far as NT scripture goes - not the seventh day.
Regardless of what some early "Christians" may or may not have done, to restore all that the church today should and must be, there is no other choice than to give BOOK, CHAPTER, and VERSE for all that we teach and practice religiously.
If we don't have B/C/V for all, why bother with any attempt to restore that which we read about in the... BIBLE !
So what scripture will you offer to authorize the seventh day of the week as a day of assembly and worship for the church ?
My issue isn't whether the sabbath day was done away with or not. Obviously there are different opinions. You present a strong case for your view, as do those who support the continuance of Sabbath day observance.
My contention is that there is strong evidence that the early Christians day of worship was on the seventh day of the week. Call it Sabbath or not! My question is that if those in the Restoration Movement seek to return the Church to that state of the early Church, why not be consistent and restore worship to the seventh day?
Paul1965 -
My issue is that the Bible (specifically the New Testament) only presents evidence to support the first day of the week as the day of assembly and worship for the saints. The FIRST day of the week is significant as far as NT scripture goes - not the seventh day.
Regardless of what some early "Christians" may or may not have done, to restore all that the church today should and must be, there is no other choice than to give BOOK, CHAPTER, and VERSE for all that we teach and practice religiously.
If we don't have B/C/V for all, why bother with any attempt to restore that which we read about in the... BIBLE !
So what scripture will you offer to authorize the seventh day of the week as a day of assembly and worship for the church ?
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A few verses possibly indicate that worship should be done on the seventh day, referred to as the Sabbath.
Acts 13:42
As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44
On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.
Acts 16:13
On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.
Acts 17:2
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 18:4
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
I'm sure you will contend how the first day of the week is mentioned in scripture. Sure they met together during the first day of the week as well as other days. I'm sure for prayer, singing, and expounding upon scripture.
I am not SDA. I am Christian only. I personally see nothing wrong with worshiping on Sunday, however, I wonder with the Restoration Movement, why with strong evidence the day of worship is not restored to the seventh day.
Read and re-read Hebrews 4:1-10
I think it indicates that God intends for his people to keep the Sabbath. Those who don't are considered disobedient. I believe that's what these verses say. I do not believe our salvation is based on this issue. There is a scripture that says we each must be sure in our own minds regarding the Sabbath. I have contemplated this topic for many years. I personally do NOT keep the Sabbath. Maybe I am disobedient. I guess I am not sure in my own mind.
"In all things love!"
Sincerely, Paul
Acts 13:42
As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44
On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.
Acts 16:13
On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.
Acts 17:2
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 18:4
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
I'm sure you will contend how the first day of the week is mentioned in scripture. Sure they met together during the first day of the week as well as other days. I'm sure for prayer, singing, and expounding upon scripture.
I am not SDA. I am Christian only. I personally see nothing wrong with worshiping on Sunday, however, I wonder with the Restoration Movement, why with strong evidence the day of worship is not restored to the seventh day.
Read and re-read Hebrews 4:1-10
I think it indicates that God intends for his people to keep the Sabbath. Those who don't are considered disobedient. I believe that's what these verses say. I do not believe our salvation is based on this issue. There is a scripture that says we each must be sure in our own minds regarding the Sabbath. I have contemplated this topic for many years. I personally do NOT keep the Sabbath. Maybe I am disobedient. I guess I am not sure in my own mind.
"In all things love!"
Sincerely, Paul
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That is just not true. The Didache Written about 95 A.D. talks about Christians worshiping on Sunday.
Justin Martyr who lived about 150 A.D. Made these quotes:
"On the day which is dedicated to the Sun all those..... gather in a common meeting"
"The day of the Sun is the day we all gather in a common meeting"
Constantine did not change the day it was changed long before him.
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Paul1965 said:
These verses in no way state that Christian Worship was on the sabbath,What was going was Christian Missionary work. When I was a missionary I also did things that I would not do in the U.S. for example we drank wine with water because the water was bad, and this what they used for the Lord's Supper.
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According to wikipedia, the Sabbath was primarily kept by Jewish Christians. Writings from late 1st century writers tell of worshiping on the 1st day of the week. Ok, I guess I was somewhat wrong about the historical respect of the issue. I guess I'm not sure on the issue. Proponents of Sunday argue their points. Saturday theirs. To be honest, I don't think scripture is real clear on the issue. Here is link to wikipedia should anyone be interested!
Sabbath in Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maybe the day of worship is relatively unimportant, rather the importance that worship is done at all?
Sabbath in Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maybe the day of worship is relatively unimportant, rather the importance that worship is done at all?
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Yes, you are right in the first century Jewish Christians kept the old Law, with animal sacrifice, and the Sabbath. Around 70 A.D. God ended this kind of false worship and the Jewish power in the Church end also, it stoped being a Jewish sect and became the Christian Religion made up of mostly non-Jews.
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A few points need to be made in connection to the study here…
Consider “restoring” the ATTITUDE you have toward God and His word to match that of the early church? Is the approach you are taking, toward any day of worship that God may have in mind, coming from scripture? Are you attempting to offer BOOK, CHAPTER, and VERSE (ei. Bible authority) for the day you worship on? Do you even know if God specifies a day(s) for worshippers to gather?
Yes, I contend that the day for the NT church to worship is the 1st day of the week. My earlier post offers the scriptures I believe indicates the proper day. Acts 20:7 in particular shows the NT church coming together upon the first day of the week. This is a prime example of an authorized practice. The choice is not left up to man – the proper day is not something man decides. God reveals the proper day in His word!
There is no evidence in scripture, and certainly no “strong” evidence, that the early church met on Saturday. It begs the question to say we should “restore” Saturday as the day of worship when there is no evidence! The five passages offered earlier (Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4) show only that Paul went to the synagogue on Saturdays in an attempt to “gain his countrymen” for Christ. I am certain that everyone here knows that these examples are NOT the early church meeting for worship! These are the typical Saturday meetings of the Jews! It appears some serious study is needed.
Hebrews 4:1-10 is another passage that many need to study. The 7th day Sabbath (sabbath means rest, not seventh) is not even mentioned in this passage! This passage speaks about God resting on the 7th day after creation, the rest that Israel had after entering the promise land, and the promised rest that awaits the saved after this life… but NO 7th day Sabbath is in the passage! You may not be SDA, but do you want to be?
Wikpedia is little more than an opinion portal. It should never be used as an authoritative reference – for any topic.
To restore the church we read about in the NT, we must restore the name, organization, the doctrine, the work, and the worship we read about… in the NT. The also requires a restoration of the attitude and zeal those Christians had, which includes a reliance upon God and His word for all we teach and practice in religion. Col 3:16, 2Jn9, 1Pt4:11.
Consider “restoring” the ATTITUDE you have toward God and His word to match that of the early church? Is the approach you are taking, toward any day of worship that God may have in mind, coming from scripture? Are you attempting to offer BOOK, CHAPTER, and VERSE (ei. Bible authority) for the day you worship on? Do you even know if God specifies a day(s) for worshippers to gather?
Yes, I contend that the day for the NT church to worship is the 1st day of the week. My earlier post offers the scriptures I believe indicates the proper day. Acts 20:7 in particular shows the NT church coming together upon the first day of the week. This is a prime example of an authorized practice. The choice is not left up to man – the proper day is not something man decides. God reveals the proper day in His word!
There is no evidence in scripture, and certainly no “strong” evidence, that the early church met on Saturday. It begs the question to say we should “restore” Saturday as the day of worship when there is no evidence! The five passages offered earlier (Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4) show only that Paul went to the synagogue on Saturdays in an attempt to “gain his countrymen” for Christ. I am certain that everyone here knows that these examples are NOT the early church meeting for worship! These are the typical Saturday meetings of the Jews! It appears some serious study is needed.
Hebrews 4:1-10 is another passage that many need to study. The 7th day Sabbath (sabbath means rest, not seventh) is not even mentioned in this passage! This passage speaks about God resting on the 7th day after creation, the rest that Israel had after entering the promise land, and the promised rest that awaits the saved after this life… but NO 7th day Sabbath is in the passage! You may not be SDA, but do you want to be?
Wikpedia is little more than an opinion portal. It should never be used as an authoritative reference – for any topic.
To restore the church we read about in the NT, we must restore the name, organization, the doctrine, the work, and the worship we read about… in the NT. The also requires a restoration of the attitude and zeal those Christians had, which includes a reliance upon God and His word for all we teach and practice in religion. Col 3:16, 2Jn9, 1Pt4:11.
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Dear Brothers,
Can you point to book, chapter, and verse where it specifically links together worship with the 1st day of the week? I do not believe that Acts 20:7 is enough evidence to base the day of worship on! As I stated before, I see nothing wrong with worshiping on Sunday. I believe worship is acceptable any day!
Here is an example of Paul going to worship in Acts 24:11-12
"11You can easily verify that no more than twelve days ago I went up to Jerusalem to worship. 12My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city."
Obviously, he was worshiping in the synagogue on the Sabbath. This was after Jesus death and resurrection. Obviously he found it important to worship that day. My impression is that on this day he was not trying to persuade anyone of Jesus. Hmm?
Point me to any scriptures directly linking worship to the first day of the week. Perhaps the early Christians more than just one day of the week?
May the Grace of God, and our Lord Jesus be with you!
Paul
Can you point to book, chapter, and verse where it specifically links together worship with the 1st day of the week? I do not believe that Acts 20:7 is enough evidence to base the day of worship on! As I stated before, I see nothing wrong with worshiping on Sunday. I believe worship is acceptable any day!
Here is an example of Paul going to worship in Acts 24:11-12
"11You can easily verify that no more than twelve days ago I went up to Jerusalem to worship. 12My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city."
Obviously, he was worshiping in the synagogue on the Sabbath. This was after Jesus death and resurrection. Obviously he found it important to worship that day. My impression is that on this day he was not trying to persuade anyone of Jesus. Hmm?
Point me to any scriptures directly linking worship to the first day of the week. Perhaps the early Christians more than just one day of the week?
May the Grace of God, and our Lord Jesus be with you!
Paul
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Paul1965 said - Can you point to book, chapter, and verse where it specifically links together worship with the 1st day of the week?
See Acts 20:7.
Which scripture(s) do YOU offer for disciples to come together for edification and breaking of bread (LS) ?
(Lord's Supper - see 1Cor11:23-29)
I do not believe that Acts 20:7 is enough evidence to base the day of worship on!
WHY ? What do you have except a desire to adopt a Jewish ordinance ??
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Acts 24 (edited)
A study of the word "worship" (many words are translated worship from the Greek) in Acts 24:11 makes a reference to the events take took place in Acts 21, which shows Paul paying his respects to the brethren, James, and the elders in Jerusalem. The next day Paul enters the temple with four others in connection with what is to believed to be the Nazarite vow. Whatever you believe, the passage does not mention any of these events taking place on any certain day of the week.
Therefore, by your beliefs, you have Paul "worshipping" as a Jew in Jerusalem, and elsewhere as a Christian (ex. Acts 18:13)! This is contradictory. You have made a hypocrite out of Paul. I don't think so!
My impression is that on this day he was not trying to persuade anyone of Jesus. Hmm?
I can agree, because on this trip to Jerusalem, persuading Jews to follow "the Way" (as he did in Acts 19:9 for example) was not his reason for being there.
Study more - remember to maintain the context of the passage.
See Acts 20:7.
Which scripture(s) do YOU offer for disciples to come together for edification and breaking of bread (LS) ?
(Lord's Supper - see 1Cor11:23-29)
I do not believe that Acts 20:7 is enough evidence to base the day of worship on!
WHY ? What do you have except a desire to adopt a Jewish ordinance ??
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Acts 24 (edited)
A study of the word "worship" (many words are translated worship from the Greek) in Acts 24:11 makes a reference to the events take took place in Acts 21, which shows Paul paying his respects to the brethren, James, and the elders in Jerusalem. The next day Paul enters the temple with four others in connection with what is to believed to be the Nazarite vow. Whatever you believe, the passage does not mention any of these events taking place on any certain day of the week.
Therefore, by your beliefs, you have Paul "worshipping" as a Jew in Jerusalem, and elsewhere as a Christian (ex. Acts 18:13)! This is contradictory. You have made a hypocrite out of Paul. I don't think so!
My impression is that on this day he was not trying to persuade anyone of Jesus. Hmm?
I can agree, because on this trip to Jerusalem, persuading Jews to follow "the Way" (as he did in Acts 19:9 for example) was not his reason for being there.
Study more - remember to maintain the context of the passage.
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Dear Brothers,
I will admit that years ago I had studied with Seventh Day Adventists. At that point in time I was convinced of the seventh day Sabbath, along with believing it to be the proper day of worship. I attended the local Adventist church for a time. Doing so, I came to the point that I could not go along with all their teachings. I have since moved on, however, I do consider Adventists brethren in Christ. My thoughts on the Sabbath question have lingered over the years. This is what spawned this post. I had been to other churches, churches of Christ. That's where I had learned of the Restoration Movement. I am all in favor of movint The Church toward that of first century. I suppose I will have to research some more on first century Christians. I'm sure we can continue this discussion. I appreciate the dialogue with you regarding the issue. Maybe there is not a clear cut answer on this. Many of your posts are very strong arguments for your point of view. I appreciate your sincerity! At this Easter season, I like to look beyond denominational barriers to our faith in the Risen Savior! Many of us look to the historical Jesus as our Lord and our God! I like John 20:28-29 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." I pray that you will all have a blessed Easter!
Paul
I will admit that years ago I had studied with Seventh Day Adventists. At that point in time I was convinced of the seventh day Sabbath, along with believing it to be the proper day of worship. I attended the local Adventist church for a time. Doing so, I came to the point that I could not go along with all their teachings. I have since moved on, however, I do consider Adventists brethren in Christ. My thoughts on the Sabbath question have lingered over the years. This is what spawned this post. I had been to other churches, churches of Christ. That's where I had learned of the Restoration Movement. I am all in favor of movint The Church toward that of first century. I suppose I will have to research some more on first century Christians. I'm sure we can continue this discussion. I appreciate the dialogue with you regarding the issue. Maybe there is not a clear cut answer on this. Many of your posts are very strong arguments for your point of view. I appreciate your sincerity! At this Easter season, I like to look beyond denominational barriers to our faith in the Risen Savior! Many of us look to the historical Jesus as our Lord and our God! I like John 20:28-29 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." I pray that you will all have a blessed Easter!
Paul
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The Seventh day worshp is the Old Law. We as Christians are not under the old law ( Ephesians 2:11-19) Christ Abolished all of the old law. We are under a New Law ( Hebrews 7:12 ) The most important event to take place in the History of man took place on a Sunday That is why we worship on that day. ( Matthew 28:1-10 )
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I believe that the Jews observed Sabbath starting around 6pm Friday evening and was in effect for that 24 hour period. In my estimation, Sabbath would be the seventh day or saturday.
I would propose that under grace and the fact that Christ states that He makes all things new, that worship occur daily. Meaning that we should gather (maybe in small groups) each day and worship. Then in larger groups once or even twice a week. This could certainly be the Sabbath.
I would propose that under grace and the fact that Christ states that He makes all things new, that worship occur daily. Meaning that we should gather (maybe in small groups) each day and worship. Then in larger groups once or even twice a week. This could certainly be the Sabbath.
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