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Respectful Question on Doctrinal Development

AveChristusRex

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In regards to Orthodox-Catholic relations, he is highly looked upon for his thesis Myth of Schism.
 
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Vladyka Alexander has also pointed out errors he made on a recent symposium on universal salvation.

still, so what?
 
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In regards to Orthodox-Catholic relations, he is highly looked upon for his thesis Myth of Schism.
and within Orthodoxy, he isn’t taken seriously. put it as another seminary professor said, “Hart is nothing more than a universalist Marxist with a philosophy degree and a thesaurus.”
 
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Vladyka Alexander has also pointed out errors he made on a recent symposium on universal salvation.

still, so what?
and within Orthodoxy, he isn’t taken seriously. put it as another seminary professor said, “Hart is nothing more than a universalist Marxist with a philosophy degree and a thesaurus.”
He is able to take communion...?
 
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He is able to take communion...?
last I heard he doesn’t.

but even if he did, so what? even after Nicaea there were still Arians, Semi-Arians, and the Orthodox communing together. that doesn’t validate Arianism.
 
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last I heard he doesn’t.

but even if he did, so what? even after Nicaea there were still Arians, Semi-Arians, and the Orthodox communing together. that doesn’t validate Arianism.
No, but to my knowledge, they have not restricted the chalice to Hart.
 
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No, but to my knowledge, they have not restricted the chalice to Hart.
right, so just because he communes (if he does), that’s not some gotcha by pointing him out. our saints say Rome is heretical. that means more than academics.
 
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right, so just because he communes (if he does), that’s not some gotcha by pointing him out. our saints say Rome is heretical. that means more than academics.
No, but it gives wiggle room I think, at least within "world orthodoxy"
 
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No, but it gives wiggle room I think, at least within "world orthodoxy"
no it doesn’t. it’s already been addressed. we have services that call Rome heretics. Rome is called heretical when they are received into the Church. there is no wiggle room.
 
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no it doesn’t. it’s already been addressed. we have services that call Rome heretics. Rome is called heretical when they are received into the Church. there is no wiggle room.
In Russian Orthodoxy, but not Greek to my knowledge?
 
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In Russian Orthodoxy, but not Greek to my knowledge?
all Three Pillars of Orthodoxy who stood against Roman heresy were Greek. plus the new saints of Athos who are Greek.
 
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your confession of Rome excommunicates you.
 
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No, but it gives wiggle room I think, at least within "world orthodoxy"
no it doesn’t. it’s already been addressed. we have services that call Rome heretics. Rome is called heretical when they are received into the Church. there is no wiggle room.
 
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Greek also.
yep, St Porphyrios refused an audience with the Pope. he said it’d bear no good fruit unless the Pope repents and its better to pray.
 
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are you referring to doctrine ALONE and not liturgy and other traditions? After Pentecost nothing else could be revealed?

In other words, doctrine never changes

Is doctrine and dogma essentially the same?

Blessings
 
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Oh wow! That almost sounds like Gnosticism and NOT Christian! BIG YIKES!!!
 
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