Respect?

[God-free]

These private, Christian schools usually have a strict I.Q. requirement for admissions, which makes me wonder how you were accepted in the first place. Did your mother and father bribe the school Admissions with like $250,000 or something?

It's comments like these that got this thread shut-down the first time. Please refrain from participating if this is the best you can do.

~Barbara

 

[corvus_corax]

These private, Christian schools usually have a strict I.Q. requirement for admissions

I don't believe that
Both of my two oldest sons attended Private School
And the only admission was the almighty dollar

which makes me wonder how you were accepted in the first place. Did your mother and father bribe the school Admissions with like $250,000 or something?

Ad hominem attacks do not a good debate make.
For example, I think you are either an idiot or a E&M version of a Poe.
And Ive called you out as a Poe before.

But does that change the way I reply to your posts?
Nope.
I dont care if you're a Poe or a privately schooled invidual with an IQ of 10 or 200.
And to "wonder" at the lack of IQ and possible bribing is nothing but an ad hominem attack.

I have been led to believe that Christians (ya know, True Christians) are better than that.

Apparently, I was lied to.
(btw, that's not an ad hom........that's based on your posts based on pure ignorance, bigotry, and logical fallacies)

 

[Beanieboy]

"Mike" is not a Christian but he attends a Christian school (a decision made for him by his parents). When the teachers and other students stand to pray, "Mike" always remains seated and quiet. Recently, one of the teachers was out for the day and a substitute teacher was brought in. When the class stood to pray, the substitute teacher told "Mike" to stand. "Mike" said no and explained that he is not Christian. The teacher told "Mike" to stand anyway as a gesture of respect. Not wanting to cause trouble "Mike" complied.

As I see it, "Mike" shows more than enough respect by remaining seated and silent during prayers. I also see it as a show of disrespect toward "Mike" to tell him to stand while others speak to a deity he doesn't believe in. Why do so many religious people feel ENTITLED to respect for their beliefs?

What do you think?

~Barbara

Lisa Simpson was confused about what to do around Christmas, and came to the conclusion that she could go to services, and celebrate Christmas for her family, because it is for the greater good.

I do, however, believe that the sub was wrong. No one, including the Christian children, shouldn't be forced to pray. It's between you and God, but to tell a nonbeliever to stand in respect is disrespectful of God, in my opinion, as well as unloving to her neighbor, but I think the two are interconnected.

And such a person has no business leading anyone in prayer.

 

[Beanieboy]

btw - if a Christian is forced to bow before another god, even if they don't believe in said god, aren't they breaking a Commandment? I know there is a verse about bowing to other gods that are not God.

 

[truthshift]

"Mike" is not a Christian but he attends a Christian school (a decision made for him by his parents). When the teachers and other students stand to pray, "Mike" always remains seated and quiet. Recently, one of the teachers was out for the day and a substitute teacher was brought in. When the class stood to pray, the substitute teacher told "Mike" to stand. "Mike" said no and explained that he is not Christian. The teacher told "Mike" to stand anyway as a gesture of respect. Not wanting to cause trouble "Mike" complied.

As I see it, "Mike" shows more than enough respect by remaining seated and silent during prayers. I also see it as a show of disrespect toward "Mike" to tell him to stand while others speak to a deity he doesn't believe in. Why do so many religious people feel ENTITLED to respect for their beliefs?

What do you think?

~Barbara

If he must stand as a symbol of respect then others should respect his decision not to. He is not being disruptive. He is not objecting to their prayer. He is respecting them through his inaction and allowing them to do as they please.

There are laws and rules in society for a reason. They exist to protect people (at least ideally). He pushed nothing on no one and demanded nothing, not even his right to not participate in something he does not believe in. He damaged no property, harmed no person, and interrupted no processions.

Unless there is a rule at the school stating that all students must stand for prayer, the substitute is clearly out of bounds.

 

[corvus_corax]

If he must stand as a symbol of respect then others should respect his decision not to. He is not being disruptive. He is not objecting to their prayer. He is respecting them through his inaction and allowing them to do as they please.

There are laws and rules in society for a reason. They exist to protect people (at least ideally). He pushed nothing on no one and demanded nothing, not even his right to not participate in something he does not believe in. He damaged no property, harmed no person, and interrupted no processions.

Unless there is a rule at the school stating that all students must stand for prayer, the substitute is clearly out of bounds.

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So, this thread's over and done with now, right?

 

[God-free]

Lisa Simpson was confused about what to do around Christmas, and came to the conclusion that she could go to services, and celebrate Christmas for her family, because it is for the greater good.

Yes, and she was permitted to decide for herself, as it should be.

I do, however, believe that the sub was wrong. No one, including the Christian children, shouldn't be forced to pray. It's between you and God, but to tell a nonbeliever to stand in respect is disrespectful of God, in my opinion, as well as unloving to her neighbor, but I think the two are interconnected.

And such a person has no business leading anyone in prayer.

Agreed.

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If he must stand as a symbol of respect then others should respect his decision not to. He is not being disruptive. He is not objecting to their prayer. He is respecting them through his inaction and allowing them to do as they please.

There are laws and rules in society for a reason. They exist to protect people (at least ideally). He pushed nothing on no one and demanded nothing, not even his right to not participate in something he does not believe in. He damaged no property, harmed no person, and interrupted no processions.

Unless there is a rule at the school stating that all students must stand for prayer, the substitute is clearly out of bounds.

Exactly!

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So, this thread's over and done with now, right?

Possibly. I would still like to hear a religious person's explanation as to why they feel entitled to automatic respect specifically because they believe in a deity of some sort. Too much to hope for?

~Barbara

 

[corvus_corax]

Possibly. I would still like to hear a religious person's explanation as to why they feel entitled to automatic respect specifically because they believe in a deity of some sort. Too much to hope for?

~Barbara

For the most part, they have said that it is "respect for authority".
Isn't that what this thread is full of?
I doubt you are going to get any religious believer to admit that their religious beliefs are entitled to automatic respect (although I know people IRL who have said so).

No, they'll just keep bringing up the medieval mindset of "submitting to authority" (even though many of them reject such a mindset unless it complies with their personal religious beliefs).

Of course I could be wrong.
Any Christian wanna prove me wrong?
Im open to it