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Rescience - meaningfully, truthfully: how often?

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I'll tell you what then.

You bring me a bona-fide witch,... And by bona-fide witch, I don't mean these modern-day self-proclaimed dressed-for-success working types who profess to be a witch in the privacy of her home and having "tea parties" with twelve of her "friends" on the Sabbath.
I'm talking about a woman with the power to call up a man's spirit that has died and gone down to Parad...


Well, that's the point isn't it. There are no witches. However, that didn't/doesn't stop "The Religious" from accusing normal, everyday people of being witches. How sad that you cannot understand that.

...found guilty by a jury of her peers and sentenced to death via due process of law -- and then we'll talk.

Religious persecution and prosecution has nothing to do with "jury of peers". Jury of peers is not a religious concept; it is a secular concept.

It was the church leaders who persecuted and prosecuted "witches".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Würzburg_witch_trial (emphasis mine)
Würzburg witch trial
The Würzburg witch trial, which took place in Germany in 1626–1631, is one of the biggest mass-trials and mass-executions seen in Europe during the Thirty Years War; 157 men, women and children in the city of Würzburg are confirmed to have been burned at the stake, mostly after first being beheaded; 219 are estimated to have been executed in the city proper, and an estimated 900 were killed in the entire Prince-Bishopric.

The first persecutions in Würzburg started with the consent of Julius Echter von Mespelbrunn, Prince bishop of Würzburg,

Many of the witch-trials of the 1620s multiplied with the Catholic reconquest. In some areas the lord or bishop was the instigator, in others the Jesuits.

To conclude this wretched matter, there are children of three and four years, to the number of three hundred, who are said to have had intercourse with the Devil.


I guess there aren't any witches today.

Some Baptists would disagree with you:
http://www.bpnews.net/16979/wicca-a-word-of-warning-to-parents-of-teens
In understanding Wicca, parents should be aware that witchcraft is not harmless fun, but an explicitly anti-Christian worldview and a collection of fundamentally unbiblical practices. Feminism. Feminists and disaffected women have been drawn to witchcraft throughout history. Sexual liberation. No-rules sexuality is a hallmark of Wicca; anything that doesn't harm anyone and is consensual is okay. Wren Walker, one prominent Wiccan, proclaims: "We have no rules which prohibit homosexuality, nudity or pre-marital sex.

We believe the Bible.

I know you do. That's why I quoted it for you. To remind you.
Exodus 22:18, “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,”
Leviticus 20:27, “A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death,”
 
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Saying you will "kiss the feet of a scientist" and repeatedly pointing only to the evils you perceive science has done makes you a hypocrite.
So either way I'm a hypocrite ... right?

Either I'm a hypocrite for typing on a computer, or I'm a hypocrite for believing God gifts us scientists, some of whom went Nimrod.

Fantastic.

My only choice is to agree with current science and keep quite about it ... right?

Well ... I'd rather be called a hypocrite.
 
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So either way I'm a hypocrite ... right?

No, you're a hypocrite because you MOUTH the words of your "love" of science but spend EVERY MOMENT COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW SCIENCE IS THE SOURCE OF EVERY EVIL YOU CAN IMAGINE.

Either I'm a hypocrite for typing on a computer, or I'm a hypocrite for believing God gifts us scientists, some of whem went Nimrod.

The thing is: I don't believe you when you say you think scientists are some gift from God. If so you treat those gifts in the most awful fashion.

My only choice is to agree with current science and keep quite about it ... right?

I don't think I've seen you agree with much science on this forum. All you ever do is lambaste scientists all the time.

By your fruit I know you.
 
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Some Baptists would disagree with you:
Good for them.

They can bring me a bona fide witch then, or I'm not going to discuss killing her.

And why is it we should be hunting witches? you've got two feet, haven't you?

But more importantly, it's not my job to execute people.

So even if you do find one -- which you won't -- don't bring her to me.

Take her to court and let them handle her.
 
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I don't think I've seen you agree with much science on this forum. All you ever do is lambaste scientists all the time.

By your fruit I know you.
Hey, chief, for your information I happen to have 3011 times more posts than you.

So unless you've read everything I've ever said here on the subject ... like this:
AV1611VET said:
I have what I call Boolean standards* that allow me to agree with 95% of science, while at the same time maintain a literal interpretation of Genesis 1.


SOURCE


... may I suggest you cool your myopia about me?
 
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Good for them.
They can bring me a bona fide witch then, or I'm not going to discuss killing her.
And why is it we should be hunting witches? you've got two feet, haven't you?
But more importantly, it's not my job to execute people.
So even if you do find one -- which you won't -- don't bring her to me.
Take her to court and let them handle her.

Once again you duck and dodge, twist and turn.

From previous posts...
AV1611VET:In your opinion, were the Crusades and the witch trials done with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It?

ecco: Definitely with respect to the bible.

AV1611VET: (Previous Ducking and Dodging) You bring me a bona-fide witch,* found guilty by a jury of her peers and sentenced to death via due process of law -- and then we'll talk.​

Try to stay on the topic of "were the witch trials done with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It? You said you believe the bible and I've already shown it was because of the bible. I'll try again...

AV1611VET: We believe the Bible.

ecco: I know you do. That's why I quoted it for you. To remind you.
Exodus 22:18, “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,”
Leviticus 20:27, “A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death,”
... and it has nothing to do with secular courts or peers...

ecco:
Religious persecution and prosecution has nothing to do with "jury of peers". Jury of peers is not a religious concept; it is a secular concept.
It was the church leaders who persecuted and prosecuted "witches".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Würzburg_witch_trial (emphasis mine)
Würzburg witch trial
The Würzburg witch trial, which took place in Germany in 1626–1631, is one of the biggest mass-trials and mass-executions seen in Europe during the Thirty Years War; 157 men, women and children in the city of Würzburg are confirmed to have been burned at the stake, mostly after first being beheaded; 219 are estimated to have been executed in the city proper, and an estimated 900 were killed in the entire Prince-Bishopric.

The first persecutions in Würzburg started with the consent of Julius Echter von Mespelbrunn, Prince bishop of Würzburg,

Many of the witch-trials of the 1620s multiplied with the Catholic reconquest. In some areas the lord or bishop was the instigator, in others the Jesuits.

To conclude this wretched matter, there are children of three and four years, to the number of three hundred, who are said to have had intercourse with the Devil.

Care to comment on whether the witch trials occurred with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It?
 
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Care to comment on whether the witch trials occurred with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It?
Sure.

These were not done with respect to the Bible.

They can claim it was, but I disagree.

You might find them convincing, but I don't.

John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Notice here, where some tried to convince Jesus they were acting with respect to Abraham?

It didn't work, did it?
 
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Sure.

These were not done with respect to the Bible.
They can claim it was, but I disagree.
You might find them convincing, but I don't.

Exodus 22:18, “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,”
Leviticus 20:27, “A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death,”
So you declare biblical writings unconvincing. That's heresy. In view of how often you quote scripture to support your views, it is also hypocrisy.


It didn't work, did it?

157 men, women and children in the city of Würzburg are confirmed to have been burned at the stake, mostly after first being beheaded; 219 are estimated to have been executed in the city proper, and an estimated 900 were killed in the entire Prince-Bishopric.
Obviously it did.
 
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So you declare biblical writings unconvincing.
I doubt they even knew the Bible.

They saw:

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

... and used it to justify their agenda.
 
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Previously...

AV1611VET: In your opinion, were the Crusades and the witch trials done with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It

ecco: Definitely with respect to the bible.

AV1611VET: (Ducking and Dodging) You bring me a bona-fide witch (...etc.)

ecco: Care to comment on whether the witch trials occurred with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It?

I doubt they even knew the Bible.
They saw:
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
... and used it to justify their agenda.

  • If they saw "Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", they knew the bible.
  • If they used it to justify their agenda, they murdered thousands with respect to the bible.
It was a long struggle, but thank you for finally agreeing with me that the witch trials were done with respect to the Bible rather than in spite of It
 
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Hey, chief, for your information I happen to have 3011 times more posts than you.

OHMY! And I've got a PhD in the physical sciences and 20+ years of working as a research chemist, chief.

So unless you've read everything I've ever said here on the subject ... like this:
I'm certain at some point you might have said something positive about science. But the majority of what I see from you is denigrating science. By your fruit I know you.

... may I suggest you cool your myopia about me?

Or how about you actually walk the walk. Walk in MY SHOES for a while. Spending my career as a scientist while folks like you sit in the peanut gallery and point out the errors.
 
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Walk in MY SHOES for a while. Spending my career as a scientist while folks like you sit in the peanut gallery and point out the errors.
I am.

How does it feel?

The only difference is, I'm pointing out real errors -- like Thalidomide, Pluto and Phlogiston.

While scientific methodists* like to point out imagined errors -- like the Bible speaking of flat earth, geocentrism, and whatever else they can copy-and-paste.

* I define "scientific methodists" as those who use the scientific method as their primary means of interpreting Scripture.

They can be scientists, armchair scientists, wannabe scientists, Internet scientists, or any other kind of user.

As long as they appeal to the scientific method to tell us we're wrong or right, they qualify.
 
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What kind of scientist are you?

The only difference is, I'm pointing out real errors -- like Thalidomide, Pluto and Phlogiston.

Pluto =/= error in science
Phlogiston = hypothesis destroyed by actual science

No matter how many times you repeat it. Won't change facts.
 
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What kind of scientist are you?
I'm not a scientist.
amanuensis said:
Pluto =/= error in science
Labeling Pluto our 9th planet wasn't a mistake?

Teaching it in science class wasn't a mistake?

Do you know why aliens can't find us?

We sent them the wrong message.

The Aricebo message shows the earth in a solar system containing nine planets!

They're out there on a wild Anatidae chase, compliments of Tombaugh's Folly.
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Phlogiston = hypothesis destroyed by actual science
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that hypotheses are part of the sientific method.
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No matter how many times you repeat it. Won't change facts.
In the case of Pluto, the facts were changed by a rigged vote.

In the case of Thalidomide, the facts were changed by a generation of -- God love them -- real mutants.

Not the Im-a-mutant-because-my-alleles-shifted copy error kind that evolution teaches.
 
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I'm not a scientist.

Then you haven't walked any distance in my shoes.

Labeling Pluto our 9th planet wasn't a mistake?

How many times have people explained this to you on this very forum? Too many to count. You REALLY need to listen when people explain something to you over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Again and again and again. It's almost like you WANT to be wrong and you WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE WRONG.

Check your scientific dictionary, prior to 2005 there was no official technical definition of a "planet".

In the case of Thalidomide, the facts were changed by a generation of -- God love them -- real mutants.

Thalidomide is a legitimate bad thing that happened. Just like the witch trials that killed countless innocent men and women in Europe and the US was a legitimate bad thing that happened because the Bible told people witches were real and one shouldn't suffer one to live.

If Thalidomide is sufficient to denigrate all of science then the Witch trials effectively destroys all of Christianity. Is that how you wish to play this?
 
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