Republicans' appalling comments can tip the scale for undecided voters-IMHO

[Anna Scott]

Some people prefer to derail a thread they don't like.

Yes, sadly, that is the case.

Anna

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

SolomonVII,

I appreciate your comments.

My point for this thread is really not to argue the abortion issue; but to address the issue of the demeaning remarks Republicans have made about women and the issue of rape; and also Romney's disdain for the poor, elderly, disabled, veterans, etc.--all those who fall into the 47% who don't pay taxes.

Anna

Sorry, but that ain't true. One comment cannot translate into "disdain"

 

[ElijahW]

Sorry, but that ain't true. One comment cannot translate into "disdain"

If you realize that the rest of what he says about the poor is actual propaganda to get elected. Telling the people what they want to hear instead of the truth.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

If you realize that the rest of what he says about the poor is actual propaganda to get elected. Telling the people what they want to hear instead of the truth.

And your evidence to corroborate your opinion?

 

[SolomonVII]

SolomonVII,

I appreciate your comments.

My point for this thread is really not to argue the abortion issue; but to address the issue of the demeaning remarks Republicans have made about women and the issue of rape; and also Romney's disdain for the poor, elderly, disabled, veterans, etc.--all those who fall into the 47% who don't pay taxes.

Anna

Thanks for the clarity.

I was already aware that the purpose of your thread revolves around anti-Republican propaganda though.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Thanks for the clarity.

I was already aware that the purpose of your thread revolves around anti-Republican propaganda though.

The bias is clear and profound.

 

[Chris81]

While I do believe what many of the quoted republican candidates said was distasteful, I also think it is wrong to generalize the whole republican party to hold these extreme positions. I also think it is a bit disingenuous to link these comments to Romney's presidential bid. If you are going to criticize Romney, please address his actual words and policy positions.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

While I do believe what many of the quoted republican candidates said was distasteful, I also think it is wrong to generalize the whole republican party to hold these extreme positions. I also think it is a bit disingenuous to link these comments to Romney's presidential bid. If you are going to criticize Romney, please address his actual words and policy positions.

Precisely. Thank you.

 

[ElijahW]

And your evidence to corroborate your opinion?

It's called life experience. You are old enough to realize that people tell others what they want to hear when it is beneficial to them. Politicians come in one flavor and that is liar, that is their job. To say whatever they think the people want to hear.

There are two kinds of people though, one that sees the suffering of others and feels sorry for them, and one that doesn't feel sorry for them. The most common way to avoid feeling sorry for them is to blame the person suffering. Which one do you think Romney is? Does he feel sorry for the poor, wishing he could do more or wish they would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get to work?

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Yes, I know I'm continuing a derail... extremely sorry.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

It's called life experience. You are old enough to realize that people tell others what they want to hear when it is beneficial to them. Politicians come in one flavor and that is liar, that is their job. To say whatever they think the people want to hear.

There are two kinds of people though, one that sees the suffering of others and feels sorry for them, and one that doesn't feel sorry for them. The most common way to avoid feeling sorry for them is to blame the person suffering. Which one do you think Romney is? Does he feel sorry for the poor, wishing he could do more or wish they would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get to work?

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Yes, I know I'm continuing a derail... extremely sorry.

Derail I can accept. Inaccuracy without supporting data, no response.

 

[ElijahW]

Derail I can accept. Inaccuracy without supporting data, no response.

Show that I am inaccurate with a demonstration of the supporting data that you expect of others.

Which one are you? The person who blames the poor for their position in life, or the one who blame themselves for not doing more to help the poor?

 

[Anna Scott]

Derail I can accept. Inaccuracy without supporting data, no response.

Jeff,

You are just having a field day derailing this thread, along with accusatory comments about my intent for this thread.

The point is these appalling statements about women and rape, and Romney's comments about the 47%, can tip the scales for undecided voters.

It happened in my case. That doesn't mean I haven't considered the issues our country is facing, and the position and plans presented by both candidates.

This thread is not about the issues. It's not even about pro-life vs. pro-choice.

It's about the effect of these particular comments on the undecided voter.

So, I respectfully ask that you either post on topic or start another thread.

Anna

 

[Anna Scott]

It's called life experience. You are old enough to realize that people tell others what they want to hear when it is beneficial to them. Politicians come in one flavor and that is liar, that is their job. To say whatever they think the people want to hear.

There are two kinds of people though, one that sees the suffering of others and feels sorry for them, and one that doesn't feel sorry for them. The most common way to avoid feeling sorry for them is to blame the person suffering. Which one do you think Romney is? Does he feel sorry for the poor, wishing he could do more or wish they would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get to work?

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Yes, I know I'm continuing a derail... extremely sorry.

ElijahW,

Well, you're not really derailing. Romney's comments about the 47% were made when he was speaking to a small group and were not intended for the general public. I think this tape reveals his true feelings; and his lack of empathy for the poor, elderly, disabled, veterans, etc., are part of what tipped the scales for me in this Presidential race.

Anna

 

[ElijahW]

ElijahW,

Well, you're not really derailing. Romney's comments about the 47% were made when he was speaking to a small group and were not intended for the general public. I think this tape reveals his true feelings; and his lack of empathy for the poor, elderly, disabled, veterans, etc., are part of what tipped the scales for me in this Presidential race.

Anna

Yeah, that was a jaw dropping percentage of the populous that he was talking about. I wasn't surprised by the lack of empathy, but the using the poor like they are the problem in society, in front of the wealthy donors, is something that I had a hard time with. I understand why people lack empathy for the poor because empathy requires you do something, but demonizing of the poor is just something that I can't understand to tell you the truth.

 

[razeontherock]

The topic is: Republicans' appalling comments can tip the scale for undecided voters

Dear Anna:

I am confused. Do you think that R's getting elected will increase the crime of rape?

 

[razeontherock]

Yeah, that was a jaw dropping percentage of the populous that he was talking about. I wasn't surprised by the lack of empathy, but the using the poor like they are the problem in society, in front of the wealthy donors, is something that I had a hard time with. I understand why people lack empathy for the poor

This is not what the comment was about; not at all. It was about not attempting to pursuade that 47% of voters, because it would be wasted effort.

 

[ElijahW]

This is not what the comment was about; not at all. It was about not attempting to pursuade that 47% of voters, because it would be wasted effort.

I understand the context he was able to blame the poor in.

 

[razeontherock]

What are you saying he blamed the poor for?

 

[ElijahW]

Their own poverty or non tax paying status to be more exact.

 

[razeontherock]

Their own poverty or non tax paying status to be more exact.

Well, do they pay tax? No. Or do you contest that?

Mittens said he wasn't about to pursue their vote, knowing they will vote Democratic. Are you suggesting that is poor strategy?

Other than these 2 points, I fail to see what you have to take exception to, and I hardly see any legitimate disagreement on these two points. What's the beef?