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Replacement Theology Found in Scripture?

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Exactly, no partiality.

Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”


The have to believe the Gospel like everyone else.


10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?”



Grace.:thumbsup:


Rom 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
:amen::thumbsup::amen:
 
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No there is no such thing as a tree with no branches. Such a thing is called a root stock and not a tree.
My Horticulture professors would disagree with you.

A root stock is a section of root from a specific, desirable tree onto which is grafted a scion from another specific, desirable tree in order to gain known benefits in root function and control function from the rootstock and fruiting and structural functions from the scion.

A branchless tree may be called a stump or a trunk, but it is still the stump or trunk of a tree, not of an elephant or a human body.
 
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Originally Posted by Tangible A branchless what?
Originally Posted by from scratch No there is no such thing as a tree with no branches. Such a thing is called a root stock and not a tree.
Exactly! A tree is not branchless.
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:)
If the branches are cut off it is ;)

Ezekiel 31:9 `I made it beautiful with the multitude of its branches,
And all the trees of Eden, which were in the garden of God, were jealous of it.

John 15:5 `I am the vine, ye the branches; he who is remaining in Me, and I in Him,
this one doth bear much fruit, because apart from Me ye are not able to do anything;

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Originally Posted by from scratch No there is no such thing as a tree with no branches. Such a thing is called a root stock and not a tree.
My Horticulture professors would disagree with you.

A root stock is a section of root from a specific, desirable tree onto which is grafted a scion from another specific, desirable tree in order to gain known benefits in root function and control function from the rootstock and fruiting and structural functions from the scion.

A branchless tree may be called a stump or a trunk, but it is still the stump or trunk of a tree, not of an elephant or a human body.
I should have stayed awake in horticulture class :D

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If the branches are cut off it is ;)

Ezekiel 31:9 `I made it beautiful with the multitude of its branches,
And all the trees of Eden, which were in the garden of God, were jealous of it.

John 15:5 `I am the vine, ye the branches; he who is remaining in Me, and I in Him,
this one doth bear much fruit, because apart from Me ye are not able to do anything;

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Well there ya go, a splendid example of a tree not bearing fruit and of the kind that Jesus zapped
 
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Speaking of boasting we find the following passage:

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are His workmanship and not ours. And it is a gift, not a reward for activity (work).

TRUE, AND SADLY, MANY PEOPLE FEED INTO JEWISH NATIONALISM, AND PRIDE, HOW BORING ALREADY!:D
 
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Yes, I have a BS in Horticulture. That's why I'm a nurse. :scratch:
Then is shouldn't be a problem for you to produce a picture of root stock or the grafting into a mature tree that already has branches.

A root stock is usually a small diameter live stump with root develobment into which a scion is placed.

If a scion is placed on a mature tree it is done on a cut branch and not the tree trunk.
 
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Then is shouldn't be a problem for you to produce a picture of root stock or the grafting into a mature tree that already has branches.

A root stock is usually a small diameter live stump with root develobment into which a scion is placed.

If a scion is placed on a mature tree it is done on a cut branch and not the tree trunk.
This argument has been canceled in observance of the law of diminishing returns.
 
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Ah I though it was great entertainment. Why not humor us with a picture as requested? I would like to see what is being talked about. Words do not seem to present the point very well.

My best guess is what has been presented is not quote right from a horticultural view.

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Ah I though it was great entertainment. Why not humor us with a picture as requested? I would like to see what is being talked about. Words do not seem to present the point very well.
The truth is out there.

My best guess is what has been presented is not quote right from a horticultural view.

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That's right.

Happy to have entertained you. That will be $5.00.


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Those branches are not broken off of the same tree. They are broken of Israel and graft into Jesus when they accept Jesus as Messiah (Saviour/Redeemer).

SOunds awesome...
Only problem...
Romans 11 only speaks of one GOOD TRUE TREE.
Not two.

Only those who believe can be in that tree. The ROOT is Messiah.
Those who do not believe cannot be in that tree.

Rather simple.

But the key point that many miss is verse 17 which clearly tells us that believing Gentiles are NOT grafted in a "different tree" then believing Jews, but rather they are grafted in AMONG those who became believers BEFORE them!
 
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Romans 11
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?


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Emphasis mine.

i dont think this is "replacement theology" per se, but rather "fulfillment theology".

Israel has always been described as the people of God who are His children, who follow Him and obey Him. Now, do the Jews of today follow and obey God? no, they dont. they still curse and blaspheme Jesus today, the same as they did in the days Jesus walked the earth... so, Yahweh used another people to fulfill His promises: the Gentiles. the body of Christ, or the church, consists of those who follow and obey Jesus... this is the same as the Israel of the Old Testament, so it is Biblical to say that the real Israel of God consists of those who follow and obey Jesus... so what was not fulfilled through the Jews, was fulfilled through the Gentiles.

now, does this mean that the national and fleshly Jews are done away with? absolutely not. no one is done away with. these flesh Jews still can repent of their sin and turn to Jesus Christ, just like any other human being can do before Christ returns.

keep in mind Ephesians 2:14-16
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,
15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

at one point, there was a wall of separation between Jew and Gentile... that wall was, i believe, the Law of Moses. with the death of Jesus on the cross, that Mosaic Law has been fulfill in Jesus, so that the separation is no longer there, creating both Jew and Gentile one in the same through Jesus Christ.

we find the same type of language in Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

we must also remember Romans 11:18
do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

in contrast with Romans 11:21-23
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

we see in v.18 that the focus is not upon the branches themselves, but on the root. the root is what supports all branches, whether it they be natural, or wild.
we also see in v.21-23 that those who are considered Israel are those who continue in His goodness... the whole reason these fleshly Jews were taken out was because of their continual disobedience. God calls on those who was to be His children to live a life of holiness and righteousness, seeking the Lord in all they do... and as we read in v23, hope is not lost for the Jews. If they repent of their disobedience, and accept Christ as their Savior and Lord, God will graft them in again.

Jesus is indeed a righteous and just God, but He is also loving, merciful, and forgiving. upon true repentance, we will be reconciled unto the Lord through Jesus Christ.
 
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Ah I though it was great entertainment. Why not humor us with a picture as requested? I would like to see what is being talked about. Words do not seem to present the point very well.

My best guess is what has been presented is not quote right from a horticultural view.

bugkiller

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Replacement Theology 101

The Jews were not replaced as to a people, their religious system had been replaced. :thumbsup:
Their nation had been replaced. The Temple had been replaced. The Sacrifice system had been replaced. The High priesthood had been replaced. This means all Jews must be born again and come into the Kingdom of God or they would have no connection to God at all (John 3:3-5). If they rejected to come into the Kingdom they would all perish. And if they chose to remain in unbelief they would remain cut out of the olive tree as dead branches. I then saw how Gentiles replaced cut off Jews and were added in where they were cut off.




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