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In this thread we will talk about Repentance.

Examples of the use of Repentance from Scripture:

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.


Repentance is necessary for Salvation! But what is true repentance?

Let's look at six different sources readily available on the internet for the definition of Repentance.

1.) Repentance (from lds.org)

Repentance is one of the first principles of the gospel and is essential to our temporal and eternal happiness. It is much more than just acknowledging wrongdoings. It is a change of mind and heart that gives us a fresh view about God, about ourselves, and about the world.
It includes turning away from sin and turning to God for forgiveness. It is motivated by love for God and the sincere desire to obey His commandments.

2.) (Bible Dictionary) Repentance definition


There are three Greek words used in the New Testament to denote repentance. (1.) The verb _metamelomai_ is used of a change of mind, such as to produce regret or even remorse on account of sin, but not necessarily a change of heart. This word is used with reference to the repentance of Judas (Matt. 27:3). (2.) Metanoeo, meaning to change one's mind and purpose, as the result of after knowledge. This verb, with (3) the cognate noun _metanoia_, is used of true repentance, a change of mind and purpose and life, to which remission of sin is promised. Evangelical repentance consists of (1) a true sense of one's own guilt and sinfulness; (2) an apprehension of God's mercy in Christ; (3) an actual hatred of sin (Ps. 119:128; Job 42:5, 6; 2 Cor. 7:10) and turning from it to God; and (4)
a persistent endeavour after a holy life in a walking with God in the way of his commandments. The true penitent is conscious of guilt (Ps. 51:4, 9), of pollution (51:5, 7, 10), and of helplessness (51:11; 109:21, 22). Thus he apprehends himself to be just what God has always seen him to be and declares him to be. But repentance comprehends not only such a sense of sin, but also an apprehension of mercy, without which there can be no true repentance (Ps. 51:1; 130:4).

3.) from truegospel.org


Repentance is a prerequisite to belief. What is repentance? Its basic meaning is "to change" or "to turn." Once a person hears the gospel and is convicted that his way of life is wrong, he must change his present behavior and "bear fruits worthy of repentance" (
Matthew 3:8). Repentance is not merely feeling sorry or remorseful, but being so stricken in one's heart that one seeks the cleansing of baptism and begins to live according to God's standards—according to God's law. Remorse without a corresponding change in conduct is not repentance!

4.) Definition of
REPENTANCE (Repentance - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

: the action or process of repenting especially for misdeeds or moral shortcomings

5.)
(theopedia) Repentance, also called penitence, is the God-granted[1] attitude of having sorrow for personal sin and the turning away from it towards a new life.

6.)
Repentance Defined (Biblical Repentance/The Meaning of Repentance - Gospel Translations)

You see then, sinful man stands as a rebel against God’s government and authority. This is why our Lord Jesus came on the scene preaching, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Mat 4:17). He commands every sinner to lay down his arms of rebellion and hoist the white flag of surrender to enter the Kingdom of God. In other words, a sinner has to change his mind about sin.
This is exactly what it means to repent: a change of mind about sin and about God, which results in turning from sin to God.



Although these definitions come from various sources and denominations, we can easily see a common thread running throughout them all. And that is the following..

Repentance comprises two things:


1.) Sorrow for sin
2.) Turning away from sin


This formula is outlined in Proverbs 28:13. Again, sorrow for sins (confessing them) and turning away from sins (forsaking them).

Proverbs 28:13

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Jesus Christ himself said he came bring sinners to repentance. Furthermore, he stated that without repentance, man would perish. Obviously that makes receiving repentance absolutely necessary for Salvation!



Bringing it all home..

I'm sure by now some of you know where I'm going with this, but sometimes you have to break stuff down before you can build.


If repentance is composed of: 1.) Sorrow for sin, and 2.) Turning away from
sin (as defined in God's moral law - The Ten Commandments).

Q: Is it possible to receive repentance if we reject God's moral law -- the Ten Commandments?




SotL
 
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In this thread we will talk about Repentance.

Examples of the use of Repentance from Scripture:

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Repentance is necessary for Salvation! But what is true repentance?

Let's look at six different sources readily available on the internet for the definition of Repentance.

1.) Repentance (from lds.org)

Repentance is one of the first principles of the gospel and is essential to our temporal and eternal happiness. It is much more than just acknowledging wrongdoings. It is a change of mind and heart that gives us a fresh view about God, about ourselves, and about the world. It includes turning away from sin and turning to God for forgiveness. It is motivated by love for God and the sincere desire to obey His commandments.

2.) (Bible Dictionary) Repentance definition

There are three Greek words used in the New Testament to denote repentance. (1.) The verb _metamelomai_ is used of a change of mind, such as to produce regret or even remorse on account of sin, but not necessarily a change of heart. This word is used with reference to the repentance of Judas (Matt. 27:3). (2.) Metanoeo, meaning to change one's mind and purpose, as the result of after knowledge. This verb, with (3) the cognate noun _metanoia_, is used of true repentance, a change of mind and purpose and life, to which remission of sin is promised. Evangelical repentance consists of (1) a true sense of one's own guilt and sinfulness; (2) an apprehension of God's mercy in Christ; (3) an actual hatred of sin (Ps. 119:128; Job 42:5, 6; 2 Cor. 7:10) and turning from it to God; and (4) a persistent endeavour after a holy life in a walking with God in the way of his commandments. The true penitent is conscious of guilt (Ps. 51:4, 9), of pollution (51:5, 7, 10), and of helplessness (51:11; 109:21, 22). Thus he apprehends himself to be just what God has always seen him to be and declares him to be. But repentance comprehends not only such a sense of sin, but also an apprehension of mercy, without which there can be no true repentance (Ps. 51:1; 130:4).

3.) from truegospel.org

Repentance is a prerequisite to belief. What is repentance? Its basic meaning is "to change" or "to turn." Once a person hears the gospel and is convicted that his way of life is wrong, he must change his present behavior and "bear fruits worthy of repentance" (Matthew 3:8). Repentance is not merely feeling sorry or remorseful, but being so stricken in one's heart that one seeks the cleansing of baptism and begins to live according to God's standards—according to God's law. Remorse without a corresponding change in conduct is not repentance!

4.) Definition of REPENTANCE (Repentance - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

: the action or process of repenting especially for misdeeds or moral shortcomings

5.) (theopedia) Repentance, also called penitence, is the God-granted[1] attitude of having sorrow for personal sin and the turning away from it towards a new life.

6.) Repentance Defined (Biblical Repentance/The Meaning of Repentance - Gospel Translations)

You see then, sinful man stands as a rebel against God’s government and authority. This is why our Lord Jesus came on the scene preaching, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Mat 4:17). He commands every sinner to lay down his arms of rebellion and hoist the white flag of surrender to enter the Kingdom of God. In other words, a sinner has to change his mind about sin.
This is exactly what it means to repent: a change of mind about sin and about God, which results in turning from sin to God.



Although these definitions come from various sources and denominations, we can easily see a common thread running throughout them all. And that is the following..

Repentance comprises two things:

1.) Sorrow for sin
2.) Turning away from sin

This formula is outlined in Proverbs 28:13. Again, sorrow for sins (confessing them) and turning away from sins (forsaking them).

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Jesus Christ himself said he came bring sinners to repentance. Furthermore, he stated that without repentance, man would perish. Obviously that makes receiving repentance absolutely necessary for Salvation!


Bringing it all home..

I'm sure by now some of you know where I'm going with this, but sometimes you have to break stuff down before you can build.

If repentance is composed of: 1.) Sorrow for sin, and 2.) Turning away from sin (as defined in God's moral law - The Ten Commandments).

Q: Is it possible to receive repentance if we reject God's moral law -- the Ten Commandments?



SotL



You seem to think that people who don't belive the Sabbath is binding on Christians don't care about sin. Why is that?

Are Adventists the only ones who are convicted of sin and repent? Does the Holy Spirit only change SDA lives?
 
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You seem to think that people who don't believe that stealing is binding on Christians don't care about sin. Why is that?

Not meaning to interject in your guys conversation but i just wanted to reword your post Ricker to see if you feel the same way.
 
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Not meaning to interject in your guys conversation but i just wanted to reword your post Ricker to see if you feel the same way.

I have never seen where the law saying not to steal is given as a sign and covenant exclusively to the nation of Isrrael.
 
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I have never seen where the law saying not to steal is given as a sign and covenant exclusively to the nation of Isrrael.

It's on the same table of stone that was written by the finger of God...

Have you ever asked yourself why, if the Sabbath was temporary, applying only to the Israelites, why it wasn't written on the scrolls by Moses?

Maybe there is more significance to it based on where it was recorded?
 
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Ricker:

Now that you have answered my original question (which I will comment on in a later post), I will begin by addressing these two questions.

You seem to think that people who don't belive the Sabbath is binding on Christians don't care about sin. Why is that?

The way you worded this question is a little confusing but are you saying there are Christians who don't care about sin? Why do they need Salvation if they don't care about sin?

I believe all of God's moral law is binding on Christians. Faith in God's pardon does not give Christians a license to continue lying, committing adultery, stealing, or yes, breaking the Sabbath. If you love God (Matthew 22:37-38) you will not take his name in vain, worship other gods, etc. If you love your neighbor (Matthew 22:39-40) you will not steal from them, commit adultery, disrespect your parents, etc.

Repentance means a complete change of the life, and as documented in my original post, a turning away from sin.

Honestly, the fact that you immediately brought up the Sabbath makes me to wonder if it is something that you already are being convicted of..

Harden not your heart to the Sabbath Commandment, Ricker, it truly is a wonderful blessing..

ISAIAH 58:13-14

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Are Adventists the only ones who are convicted of sin and repent? Does the Holy Spirit only change SDA lives?

No, and no. There are many sincere Christians around the world who have had genuine repentance, and for example, do not have the truth on the Sabbath.
Ignorance is the opposite of rejecting truth. I'm quite sure you don't need an explanation on that.

Acts 17:30-31

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

 
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I asked, "Is it possible to receive repentance if we reject God's moral law -- the Ten Commandments?"

Ricker responded:


1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

How can we have repentance if we reject the law that shows us our sin?

 
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How can we have repentance if we reject the law that shows us our sin?
By believing that Jesus Christ told the truth when He confirmed that the Spirit convicts us with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment. In fact, when compared with the letters engraved on stones which are the ministry that brings death, we notice that the ministry of the Spirit is preferable for it brings life.

A number of passages, including Acts 5:31, Acts 11:18, Romans 2:24, 2 Corinthians 7:9-10 and 2 Timothy 2:25, confirm that God is the source of repentance, not law.

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By believing that Jesus Christ told the truth when He confirmed that the Spirit convicts us with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment. In fact, when compared with the letters engraved on stones which are the ministry that brings death, we notice that the ministry of the Spirit is preferable for it brings life.

A number of passages, including Acts 5:31, Acts 11:18, Romans 2:24, 2 Corinthians 7:9-10 and 2 Timothy 2:25, confirm that God is the source of repentance, not law.

BFA

God is most definitely the source of repentance, on that point we agree. I also agree that the Spirit convicts us with respect to sin, which is defined for us in scripture as the transgression of the law. Therefore, the Spirit convicts us in respect to our transgression of the law.

Without a law, there would be no standard of righteousness, and therefore no need for repentance.

This concept should be simple for us to understand.

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God is most definitely the source of repentance, on that point we agree. I also agree that the Spirit convicts us with respect to sin, which is defined for us in scripture as the transgression of the law. Therefore, the Spirit convicts us in respect to our transgression of the law.
The Spirit is God. The law is not. The Spirit convicted men even before there was a law.

Without a law, there would be no standard of righteousness, and therefore no need for repentance.

Without a law, there is the Spirit. The ministry of the Spirit is more glorious than the ministry of letters engraved on stones that bring death. Why? Because the ministry of the Spirit brings life. God brings forth repentence, not law.

At least that's how I understand it.

BFA
 
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Sin as transgression of the law is one of many witnesses concerning the attributes/workings/failures of sin. Some witnesses concerning sin is what sin does not do. Some witnesses concerning sin is what sin does.

There are many modes through which the Lord God has expressed his covenant in Christ. The words of the covenant were written on stone after the people turned back in their heart to Egypt. The Spirit writes a living epistle on our hearts and minds at his will as authorized by the Lord Jesus when he receives authority from God, the Father. Each member of Jesus' Body receives a portion. Abraham was given the covenant through the action of cutting off his foreskin. This is the same in principle as the words spoken at Mt. Sinai saying, "You shall not..." This is the same in principle as God resting "from" his works.

Eph 3:10
...the manifold wisdom of God,... KJV

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I asked, "Is it possible to receive repentance if we reject God's moral law -- the Ten Commandments?"

Ricker responded:



1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

How can we have repentance if we reject the law that shows us our sin?

Can't you see this quote shows there is sin apart from the law?
 
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Ricker:

Now that you have answered my original question (which I will comment on in a later post), I will begin by addressing these two questions.



The way you worded this question is a little confusing but are you saying there are Christians who don't care about sin? Why do they need Salvation if they don't care about sin?

I will use a comma to try to make this more clear.


You seem to think that people who don't belive the Sabbath is binding on Christians, don't care about sin. Why is that?

Does that make more sense? Some Chrsitians, such as I, don't believe the sabbath command was for all people. Why do you (SotL)think we advocate sin in general and are clueless on repenting? Don't you think we all have moral standards set by the Bible? Non-sabitarians don't reject sin?
 
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I will use a comma to try to make this more clear.

You seem to think that people who don't belive the Sabbath is binding on Christians, don't care about sin. Why is that?

Ricker,

That is definitely more clear, thanks. Unfortunately if you don't think the Sabbath is binding in Christians, by default you are rejecting the entire moral law. Period. Rejecting the Sabbath is rejecting a Commandment of God, and it is sin. God's law does not come with a 10% discount. You can't pick and choose which Commandments you want be loyal to. You either are loyal to the law or you're not.

Does that make more sense? Some Chrsitians, such as I, don't believe the sabbath command was for all people. Why do you (SotL)think we advocate sin in general and are clueless on repenting? Don't you think we all have moral standards set by the Bible? Non-sabitarians don't reject sin?

As previously stated, rejecting the truth about the Sabbath is not the same as being completely ignorant of the truth. By refusing truth you are hardening your heart and making it more difficult for brothers like myself to try and help you to arouse to the truth and overcome the deception that the "Sabbath is not binding". http://www.sabbathtruth.com would be a great resource for you to study the truth for yourself.

Ricker, try to understand this point. SDA's don't worship the Sabbath, we worship the living God on the Sabbath, the day he blessed and sanctified on creation. The day he Commands His people to "Remember".

SotL
 
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