Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[SabbathBlessings]

Both are Paul’s instructions, just one is further in explanation than the other. One cannot be keeping any commandments from the flesh.

I think we can literally decide what is right or wrong (sin) and choose to either sin or not sin.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I think we can literally decide what is right or wrong (sin) and choose to either sin or not sin.

It would be literally insanity not to.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Show me a scripture that state that “every sin has an umbrella under 10 commandments?

If there are more laws requires then just the 10 then why are you so focus on the 10 and not the others?

Jesus explains that with the laws magnified- Matthew 5:21, 22, Matthew 5:27, 28 was an example for us.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, if you look at my example of the roommate and the car,
Fulfilled
Does not mean
No longer required.

The requirement that I fill the tank is still there.

I'm interested in hearing whether you practice levirate marriage and encourage others to do so?

No, that is no longer needed nor is it part of God's commandments. This question shows me you're not really interested in my views though and more interested in finding any excuse to not obey God's laws. It does not matter what I think, only what God does, He is our judge and we can not fool Him in any way, He knows our thoughts and every action.

 

[pasifika]

Jesus explains that with the laws magnified- Matthew 5:21, 22, Matthew 5:27, 28 was an example for us.

Matthew 5 verse 38-43 falls outside the 10 commandments..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Matthew 5 verse 38-43 falls outside the 10 commandments..

Not sure your point or what that has to do with the scriptures I quoted that is referring to the Ten

 

[pasifika]

Not sure your point or what that has to do with the scriptures I quoted that is referring to the Ten

Matthew 5:43...love your neighbor what umbrella of the 10 that is under? Quote scripture..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Matthew 5:43...love your neighbor what umbrella of the 10 that is under? Quote scripture..

Commandments 1-6 and Commandments 1-4 is how we show our love to God.

 

[pasifika]

Commandments 1-6 and Commandments 1-4 is how we show our love to God.

It seems like the 10 is under two umbrellas (commandments 1-6& commandments 1-4) is that right? I was expecting the commandment of love your neighbor to be under one umbrella of the 10?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It seems like the 10 is under two umbrellas (commandments 1-6& commandments 1-4) is that right? I was expecting the commandment of love your neighbor to be under one umbrella of the 10?

If you are quoting me, I said most sin is under one of the umbrella's of the Ten (Ten umbrellas). The one you questioned me happens to be about 6 of those and were written on one tablet. I hope this clarifies your question.

God bless

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

If you are quoting me, I said most sin is under one of the umbrella's of the Ten (Ten umbrellas). The one you questioned me happens to be about 6 of those and were written on one tablet. I hope this clarifies your question.

God bless

"Honour thy father and thy mother” there’s that Korban thang again ,,, the 5th,,

 

[pasifika]

If you are quoting me, I said most sin is under one of the umbrella's of the Ten (Ten umbrellas). The one you questioned me happens to be about 6 of those and were written on one tablet. I hope this clarifies your question.

God bless

Okay got it..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

"Honour thy father and thy mother” there’s that Korban thang again ,,, the 5th,,

Is there a question in there.....?

 

[Leaf473]

No, that is no longer needed nor is it part of God's commandments. This question shows me you're not really interested in my views though and more interested in finding any excuse to not obey God's laws. It does not matter what I think, only what God does, He is our judge and we can not fool Him in any way, He knows our thoughts and every action.

When you say that levirate marriage is "no longer needed" are you removing that law?

I agree, the important thing is what God says. But you and I are having this discussion. It looks to me like the thing that you are accusing me of doing, removing the law, is what you are also doing with other laws.

Like this,

Your definition of "fulfilled" seems very similar to "no longer required" which means "destroyed".

 

[pescador]

So basically you are saying is what Jesus meant when He said I did not come to destroy the law, but I came to destroy the law. Sorry, this belief will only take you down the wrong path. God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to the from the lawm is like taking our Savior away. Are we supposed to be more like Christ or less like Him?

I already told you there are more laws that are still required today other than the TEN. I'm not the one saying we are no longer obligated to the law and more importantly either does Jesus.

Mathew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

You wrote, "God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to them is like taking our Savior away."

The law is like taking your savior away?? The law is not your savior; Jesus Christ is your savior. The OT laws -- "the law "-- are a set of rules that are impossible to keep.

Jesus died so that we would be free from the law. "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code." Romans 7:6

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You wrote, "God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to them is like taking our Savior away."

The law is like taking your savior away?? The law is not your savior; Jesus Christ is your savior. The OT laws -- "the law "-- are a set of rules that are impossible to keep.

Jesus died so that we would be free from the law. "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code." Romans 7:6

I never said the law was our Savior. Our Savior made the law which is based on His character. If you go back to the very first post on this thread you will see all the scripture that tells us the law is made out of the essence of who God is. When you take away God's moral laws, what else are you taking away?

That's absurd to think we have been released from the law because of the sacrifice of our Savior. We are not free to sin. Jesus died to save us from our sins and salvation is a free gift to those who repent and turn away from sin because of a changed heart (true repentance) not keep sinning. When you are truly sorry for your sins, you will not keep sinning. This only hurts our Savior and He died in vain. Obedience to God is how we show Him our love according to Jesus.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

God bless

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When you say that levirate marriage is "no longer needed" are you removing that law?

I agree, the important thing is what God says. But you and I are having this discussion. It looks to me like the thing that you are accusing me of doing, removing the law, is what you are also doing with other laws.

Like this,

There is no more Levitical Priesthood in the new covenant . The Priesthood has now changed in the new covenant (see Hebrews 7:1-25)

It's also not in one of God's Ten commandments that we are told are eternal.

God bless

 

[Leaf473]

There is no more Levitical Priesthood in the new covenant . The Priesthood has now changed in the new covenant (see Hebrews 7:1-25)

It's also not in one of God's Ten commandments that we are told are eternal.

God bless

Sorry, I'm not following why you are bringing in the levitical priesthood.

Are you saying that since the levitical priesthood has been replaced, God's laws are "no longer needed"?

I thought your reasoning was that not a single part of the law or the prophets would pass away until heaven and Earth passed away?

Did I misunderstand what you were saying?

 

[Freth]

I never said the law was our Savior. Our Savior made the law which is based on His character. If you go back to the very first post on this thread you will see all the scripture that tells us the law is made out of the essence of who God is. When you take away God's moral laws, what else are you taking away?

That's absurd to think we have been released from the law because of the sacrifice of our Savior. We are not free to sin. Jesus died to save us from our sins and salvation is a free gift to those who repent and turn away from sin, not keep sinning. When you are truly sorry for your sins, you will not keep sinning. This only hurts our Savior and He died in vain. Obedience to God is how we show Him our love according to Jesus.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

God bless

imge hit on something important here that I wanted to point out.

"This only hurts our Savior and He died in vain."

One of the things that brought me back to Christianity was the understanding of how what we perceive sin in simple terms, but how it condemns from multiple angles.

Taking the Lord's name in vain is forsaking the Lord, whether it be in speech or in action. If you profess to be a Christian and disobey God, you are indeed taking the Lord's name in vain.

If you are holding on to an idol in your life and it's taking up all of your time that you know you should be dedicating to your relationship with Jesus, you are worshiping false Gods, practicing idolatry, taking the Lord's name in vain, coveting your idol, stealing time from the Lord and most likely breaking the holy Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Sin is not one-dimensional. God designed the Ten Commandments in such a way that you can't break one and not be guilty of others at the same time. This shows the severity of disobedience to the law of God and why we're called to righteousness.

God wants a righteous people who are ready for heaven. Heaven is not a place of disobedience. What makes any Christian think they are going to enter the kingdom of heaven in a state of wretched sinfulness or lukewarmness?

God's law is the standard by which we are judged—and we are judged.

• "I'm covered by grace."
• "Jesus is my rest."
• "The 9 are still binding, just not the Sabbath."
• "Sunday is the Lord's day, because the resurrection of Jesus makes it double-holy."
• "The law was the old covenant. We are in the new covenant."
• "The law is love God, love others, which replaces the Ten Commandments."

These statements fly in the face of the repeated calls for repentance in the new testament and the holiness and righteousness we're called to—that can only be achieved through obedience to God through His commandments.

If you own a car and you drive, do you break speed limit laws? If so, what is the reasoning for your breaking of the speed limit? "I do what I want.", "I can go 10 miles over the speed limit and won't get pulled over.", "I'll never get caught if I'm careful." Even the most careful speeder gets pulled over at some point and has to pay the piper, or worse, causes an accident that harms others.

These things we tell ourselves, so that we can do what we want, are fallacies of the sinful, selfish mind.

 

[Leaf473]

imge hit on something important here that I wanted to point out.

"This only hurts our Savior and He died in vain."

One of the things that brought me back to Christianity was the understanding of how what we perceive sin in simple terms, but how it condemns from multiple angles.

Taking the Lord's name in vain is forsaking the Lord, whether it be in speech or in action. If you profess to be a Christian and disobey God, you are indeed taking the Lord's name in vain.

If you are holding on to an idol in your life and it's taking up all of your time that you know you should be dedicating to your relationship with Jesus, you are worshiping false Gods, practicing idolatry, taking the Lord's name in vain, coveting your idol, stealing time from the Lord and most likely breaking the holy Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Sin is not one-dimensional. God designed the Ten Commandments in such a way that you can't break one and not be guilty of others at the same time. This shows the severity of disobedience to the law of God and why we're called to righteousness.

God wants a righteous people who are ready for heaven. Heaven is not a place of disobedience. What makes any Christian think they are going to enter the kingdom of heaven in a state of wretched sinfulness or lukewarmness?

God's law is the standard by which we are judged—and we are judged.

• "I'm covered by grace."
• "Jesus is my rest."
• "The 9 are still binding, just not the Sabbath."
• "Sunday is the Lord's day, because the resurrection of Jesus makes it double-holy."
• "The law was the old covenant. We are in the new covenant."
• "The law is love God, love others, which replaces the Ten Commandments."

These statements fly in the face of the repeated calls for repentance in the new testament and the holiness and righteousness we're called to—that can only be achieved through obedience to God through His commandments.

If you own a car and you drive, do you break speed limit laws? If so, what is the reasoning for your breaking of the speed limit? "I do what I want.", "I can go 10 miles over the speed limit and won't get pulled over.", "I'll never get caught if I'm careful." Even the most careful speeder gets pulled over at some point and has to pay the piper, or worse, causes an accident that harms others.

These things we tell ourselves, so that we can do what we want, are fallacies of the sinful, selfish mind.

Hi Freth,

Nice to meet you.

I'm interested in your take on the conversation about levirate marriage.

This was the latest post

Sorry, I'm not following why you are bringing in the levitical priesthood.

Are you saying that since the levitical priesthood has been replaced, God's laws are "no longer needed"?

I thought your reasoning was that not a single part of the law or the prophets would pass away until heaven and Earth passed away?

Did I misunderstand what you were saying?