Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[BobRyan]

Ok -- in the "just a little" category we have
Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" they met for Gospel preaching to both Jews and gentiles - as given by Paul.
Acts 13 - Sabbath after Sabbath gospel preaching
Acts 17 - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath gospel preaching.

Is 66:23 - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the New Earth.

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Nothing like that in the NT for "week day 1" when it comes to Gospel preaching
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Isaiah 66:22-23 - "As the new heavens and earth that I make will endure before me. . .From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before me to worship."

"From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath". . .is without interruption--full-time, as in Jesus' fulfillment of God's own full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest, into which we enter in his salvation-rest from our work to save and in his finished work which has saved (Heb 3:7-4:11).

There are "two" cycles there not just one.

"From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath"

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. KJV

And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord. NKJV

“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. NASB

23 Everyone will come and bow down to me. They will do it at every New Moon feast and on every Sabbath day,” says the Lord. NIRV (New International Reader's Version)


A monthly cycle "From new moon to new moon"
A weekly cycle "from Sabbath to Sabbath"

These are not words for "daily" in the Bible. There was a "daily" burnt offering but that was not called "from new moon to new moon".

Another example -- Samuel's mother came "from year to year" 1 Sam 2:19 to bring him new clothes -- that also did not mean "daily" - it would be bias that would insert "she daily came to bring him a new set of clothes" so that "from year to year" meant "every day during the year". It certainly is not in the text.

 

[BobRyan]

Those are are examples of a time period in a story. Not in actual teaching.

They show practice they do not introduce new teaching. Sabbath and the TEN - is not a "new teaching"

Even these Sunday groups agree that the Sabbath doctrine was not new - as we saw on this thread -- #1 #2

 

[Nathan@work]

They show practice they do not introduce new teaching. Sabbath and the TEN - is not a "new teaching"

Even these Sunday groups agree that the Sabbath doctrine was not new - as we saw on this thread -- #1 #2

I don’t disagree with your statements.

I disagree that the Sabbath is the key to knowing God. If that was true, then it would be taught as such.

 

[BobRyan]

I don’t disagree with your statements.

I disagree that the Sabbath is the key to knowing God. If that was true, then it would be taught as such.

Obedience is the key to knowing God better in John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Obedience is the key to knowing God better in John 15:14 "14 You are My friends if you do what I command you."

Obedience is the sign that we know God - 1 John 2:3-4
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

Obedience is the key to the "Love of God in 1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and follow His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whoever has been born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith.

 

[Clare73]

There are "two" cycles there not just one.

"From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath

Prophetic duplication, they both mean for all time.

A monthly cycle "From new moon to new moon"
A weekly cycle "from Sabbath to Sabbath"

These are not words for "daily" in the Bible. There was a "daily" burnt offering but that was not called "from new moon to new moon".

Another example -- Samuel's mother came "from year to year" 1 Sam 2:19 to bring him new clothes -- that also did not mean "daily" - it would be bias that would insert "she daily came to bring him a new set of clothes" so that "from year to year" meant "every day during the year". It certainly is not in the text.

Depends on the context. . .from wall to wall is all the space in between. . . fasted from Sunday to Sunday last month is all the days in between. . .off work from Thursday to Monday is all the days in between. . .

Then there is the full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest of God, as Canaan was full-time rest from their enemies, to which the NT Hebrews were warned not to fail to enter in the NT salvation-rest by returning to their OT religion (Heb 3:7-4:11).

 

[BobRyan]

Depends on the context. . .from Monday to Friday if five days, all the days in between

True - "from monday to Friday" .. "from week-day-1 to week-day-6" etc. But that is not what we see in Is 66:23

In Isaiah we see two cycles .. a monthly one AND a weekly one.

Another example -- Samuel's mother came "from year to year" 1 Sam 2:19 to bring him new clothes -- that also did not mean "daily" - it would be bias that would insert "she daily came to bring him a new set of clothes" so that "from year to year" meant "every day during the year". It certainly is not in the text.

1 Sam 2:19 And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice. NASB

1 Sam 2:19
19 Each year his mother made him a little robe. She took it to him when she went up to Shiloh with her husband. She did it when her husband went to offer the yearly sacrifice. (New International Reader's Version)

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. KJV

And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord. NKJV

“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. NASB

23 Everyone will come and bow down to me. They will do it at every New Moon feast and on every Sabbath day,” says the Lord. NIRV (New International Reader's Version)


A monthly cycle "From new moon to new moon"
A weekly cycle "from Sabbath to Sabbath"

These are not words for "daily" in the Bible. There was a "daily" burnt offering but that was not called "from new moon to new moon".

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[Clare73]

True - "from monday to Friday" .. "from week-day-1 to week-day-6" etc. But that is not what we seen in Is 66:23

In Isaiah we see two cycles .. a monthly one AND a weekly one.

Another example -- Samuel's mother came "from year to year" 1 Sam 2:19 to bring him new clothes -- that also did not mean "daily" - it would be bias that would insert "she daily came to bring him a new set of clothes" so that "from year to year" meant "every day during the year". It certainly is not in the text.

1 Sam 2:19 And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice. NASB

1 Sam 2:19
19 Each year his mother made him a little robe. She took it to him when she went up to Shiloh with her husband. She did it when her husband went to offer the yearly sacrifice. (New International Reader's Version)

Depends on the context. . .from wall to wall is all the space in between. . . fasted from Sunday to Sunday last month is all the days in between. . .off work from Thursday to Monday is all the days in between. . .

Then there is the full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest of God, as Canaan was full-time rest from their enemies, to which the NT Hebrews were warned not to fail to enter in the NT salvation-rest by returning to their OT religion (Heb 3:7-4:11).

 

[BobRyan]

Then there is the full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest of God, as Canaan was full-time rest from their enemies, to which the NT Hebrews were warned not to fail

The exact same as it was in the days of David where only "some" did not enter it but others did -- and doing so did not destroy the 4th commandment, they continued to keep the 4th commandment as all Bible scholars agree.

 

[Clare73]

The exact same as it was in the days of David where only "some" did not enter it but others did -- and doing so did not destroy the 4th commandment, they continued to keep the 4th commandment as all Bible scholars agree.

Canaan was not a once-a-week Sabbath-rest of the fourth commandment, Canaan was a full-time rest as is God's Sabbath-rest (Heb 4:3b-4).

 

[Nathan@work]

Obedience is the key to knowing God better in John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Obedience is the key to knowing God better in John 15:14 "14 You are My friends if you do what I command you."

Obedience is the sign that we know God - 1 John 2:3-4
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

Obedience is the key to the "Love of God in 1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and follow His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whoever has been born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith.

Ok.......and so all of the commandments/law right?

 

[BobRyan]

Canaan was not a once-a-week Sabbath-rest of the fourth commandment, Canaan was a full-time rest as is God's Sabbath-rest (Heb 4:3b-4).

True - it had nothing to do with keeping the 4th commandment and so for example Moses was keeping the 4th commandment and was also standing with Christ in glory before the cross - in Matt 17.

 

[BobRyan]

Ok.......and so all of the commandments/law right?

Yes - God's Word matters - the Sabbath happens to be one of the Ten just as "do not take God's name in vain" is one of the Ten.

 

[Nathan@work]

Yes - God's Word matters - the Sabbath happens to be one of the Ten.

Right, but it, itself, is not the key.

 

[BobRyan]

Depends on the context. .

There is not a single case in OT or NT where "from Sabbath to Sabbath" means "daily" or "from new Moon to new Moon" means "daily" and we can see clearly that "From year to year" in 1 Sam 2:19 did not mean "daily".

But the context of Is 66:23 that forbids re-editing it to "daily" is that we have two cycles not just one.

It is not "Daily" and "daily" but it is monthly (from new moon to new moon) and it is weekly (from Sabbath to Sabbath). Two cycles in Is 66:23 not one "daily".

 

[Clare73]

True - it had nothing to do with keeping the 4th commandment and so for example Moses was keeping the 4th commandment and was also standing with Christ in glory before the cross - in Matt 17.

My Bible makes no reference to the Sabbath in Mt 17.

Are you commiting eisegesis?

 

[Clare73]

There is not a single case in OT or NT where "from Sabbath to Sabbath" means "daily" or "from new Moon to new Moon" means "daily" and we can see clearly that "From year to year" in 1 Sam 2:19 did not mean "daily".

Likewise, there is not a single text that states
God is sovereign.
Jesus is divine.
Three persons in one God.
Etc.

But the context of Is 66:23 that forbids re-editing it to "daily" is that we have two cycles not just one.

Sez who?

Previously addressed.

It is not "Daily" and "daily" but it is monthly (from new moon to new moon) and it is weekly (from Sabbath to Sabbath). Two cycles in Is 66:23 not one "daily".

Is 66:22-23 is full-time Sabbath rest like God's Sabbath-rest is full-time, and NT salvation-rest is full-time forever.

 

[Leaf473]

Or at least that is how we would like to think of it. The life of Peter shows that even for the saints "mistakes are possible". Peter gets hammered in Gal 2:11-14

Yep! We aim to be led by the spirit, we often make mistakes!

 

[Leaf473]

What you say is true in the world to come, where all the inconsistencies are brushed away by Christ the King. But as we live in this world, the god of this world wants his due.

Unless one is fortunate enough to be a full time pastor, there are worldly considerations that encroach on our daily lives. For example, when I take a contract that requires my presence outside my home, I inform the employer "I do not work on saturdays, please consider this in my hiring" and that is it. When I am working, it is for my flesh not for my spirit and the demands of my taskmasters may not be in synch with my Lord and Master. On six days I must mix the fresh waters of the spring with the salted waters of the sea. But on the 7th, I am blessed with the Sabbath, that I may know God within the Holy Spirit . The basic rule is there is only the Lord and Master on that day, no taskmasters. It is Separate.

I understand the spirit is fulfilled but the flesh is yet to come. The Anointed Kingdom will come very soon in my estimation and we will know no thirst.

I hear what you're saying,and I think that's why some people will regard all days alike, and others will regard one day above another.

The job that you do, is it the job that God has called you to do?

 

[Leaf473]

No, you are correct. Sorry, as a writer of the message, I don't critically review the statement as they are communicated.

Here is the explanation. I will use military time. Also, they may have counted differently (sunrise to sunrise or sunset to sunset for 1 full day). But the logic is the same
sunday 8:00 (birth) to 24:00 - 1 day
monday 0:00 to saturday 24:00 - 6 days
sunday 0:00 - beginning of eighth day

The first day is counted as 1 no matter if it is just a second left till midnight. In words, the child have "existed for"/"created in" 7 days and was smeared with the circumcision on 8th day. The 8th day had not ended, so it can be said the child was smeared when he was 7 days created.

Sorry, still not following.

Using military time,
The child is born on Sunday.
On Sunday he is one day old.
At what time does he stop being one day old and start being two days old?

 

[Chi.C]

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