Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[HIM]

pescador said: ↑
Please don't change the subject. You posted some Scripture in archaic language, the meaning of which is unclear.

Again, what does this mean: "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

It may interest you to know that when Jesus was on Earth as a man He spoke the normal language of the people of His time: Aramaic.

I am not. You have a bible and apparently have issues with the KJV. So share what you get from what version you like and then we will share on the KJV.

Or not.....

Then again if you are having issues with the version you are reading please post it and we will discuss it.

 

[Clare73]

It is mistaken according to the BDB, Strong's and Vines

Young's is an analytical concordance.

 

[pescador]

I am not. You have a bible and apparently have issues with the KJV. So share what you get from what version you like and then we will share on the KJV.

Or not.....

Sorry but I'm not taking the bait. It's obvious that you are either unwilling or unable to tell me what the selection that you posted actually means. I read/write/speak English; I do not communicate in "dead" language.

C'mon HIM, tell me if you can what the verses that you posted mean. If you can't I understand but don't put the burden on me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think that has been clearly stated by me many times, including the post to which you are responding here.

Clearly stated but nothing addressed in the scriptures shared with you from post # 442; post # 747 and post # 754 that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures. I am still waiting for you to address these posts in detail if you disagree with what has been shared with you through the scriptures. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29) so for now we will have to agree to disagree. Anyhow the scriptures shared with you have only been provided and sent in love and as a help to you. I will leave them between you and God. Our conversation has now come to a close.

Thank you for the discussion.

 

[pescador]

Then again if you are having issues with the version you are reading please post it and we will discuss it.

Nice try! See my previous message...

 

[pescador]

It's obvious at this point HIM that you are unable to tell me what the verses that YOU posted mean. I rest my case.

 

[Nathan@work]

By your logic, we can't trust what you post and you can't trust yourself, because "the flesh can't know". How can anyone be converted to Christianity if they can't trust their own eyes and ears, and their own intuition? They can't. "The flesh can't know" is a circular argument that goes nowhere and you're being disingenuous, because you already know the answer.

• God created us with brains that allow us to come to reasonable conclusions on any subject.
  
• God gives us the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of truth.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.​

I never asked you to trust what I post. I don’t trust myself, I trust God - you should too.

Personally, I’m not trying to convert anyone to Christianity. My intent is to preach the Gospel, and then make disciples for Him.

I cannot make anyone hear the Gospel, and those who have not been given Faith cannot hear. The man of flesh does not accept the things of the Spirit - he cannot.

It seems rather hateful to say I’m being disingenuous. I know exactly what I’m talking about and would never put forward something that I didn’t. These posts are read by many so we must be sincere about what we say because we will be judged on it.

There is no circular logic. The flesh is corrupt - all of it. That includes your mind.

It is only by the power of the Spirit can we understand. Read what Jesus said about it;

John 3:5-8 (ESV) Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

You wouldn’t call Him disingenuous because He says we must be born again would you?

 

[pescador]

I never asked you to trust what I post. I don’t trust myself, I trust God - you should too.

Personally, I’m not trying to convert anyone to Christianity. My intent is to preach the Gospel, and then make disciples for Him.

I cannot make anyone hear the Gospel, and those who have not been given Faith cannot hear. The man of flesh does not accept the things of the Spirit - he cannot.

It seems rather hateful to say I’m being disingenuous. I know exactly what I’m talking about and would never put forward something that I didn’t. These posts are read by many so we must be sincere about what we say because we will be judged on it.

There is no circular logic. The flesh is corrupt - all of it. That includes your mind.

It is only by the power of the Spirit can we understand. Read what Jesus said about it;

John 3:5-8 (ESV) Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

You wouldn’t call Him disingenuous because He says we must be born again would you?

Great post! Very true.

BTW, thanks for posting the verses in conventional English. It's easily read and understood.

 

[Clare73]

Clearly stated but nothing addressed in the scriptures shared with you from post # 472; post # 747 and post # 754 that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures. I am still waiting for you to address these posts in detail if you disagree with what has been shared with you through the scriptures.

Post #472 is not your post.

Post #747 is completely addressed in my two simple responses there.

Post #754, in explaining Heb 4:1-13, does not take into account all the references to failure to enter Canaan (3:7-11, 15-18, 4:1, 11), to disobedience (3:16, 18, 4:6, 11) and to unbelief (3:12, 19, 4:2), which have nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment,

as well as not taking into account that Heb 4:1-13 is speaking of a full-time Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:3b-4), not just the weekly Sabbath rest of the fourth commandment.

An adequate explanation of Heb 4:1-13 has to include all these, which yours does not.

Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29) so for now we will have to agree to disagree. Anyhow the scriptures shared with you have only been provided and sent in love and as a help to you. I will leave them between you and God. Thank you for the discussion.

Isaiah 66:22-23 - "As the new heavens and earth that I make will endure before me. . .From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before me to worship."

"From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath". . .is without interruption--full-time, as in Jesus' fulfillment of God's own full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest, into which we enter in his salvation-rest from our work to save and in his finished work which has saved (Heb 3:7-4:11).

 

[HIM]

Sorry but I'm not taking the bait. It's obvious that you are either unwilling or unable to tell me what the selection that you posted actually means. I read/write/speak English; I do not communicate in "dead" language.

C'mon HIM, tell me if you can what the verses that you posted mean. If you can't I understand but don't put the burden on me.

Bait? I am not baiting you.
If I am wrong I am sorry But To be honest I am having an issue believing you don't understand it. I think you trying to make a point and actually it is lost on me because out of all the verses in the KJV you could of made this stance on, this is one I can honestly say, says what it says.

That Christ, His Spirit in us, abiding in us teaches us all things and is truth. As He teaches us, He teaches us to abide in Him as He is in us and because we know the truth due to His Spirit we need not that any man teach us.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Freth]

Exodus 20:11 says that it is from Eden. Genesis 2:1-3

What is interesting is that scholars in almost all Christian denominations on planet Earth - appear to agree with that Bible detail. see it on this thread #1

Also commentaries:

"We must conclude, therefore, that on the seventh day, on which God rested from His work, the world also, with all its inhabitants, attained to the sacred rest of God; that the sabbath day rest and the sabbath festivals of God were made a rest and sabbatic festival for His creatures, especially for man; and that this day of rest of the new created world, which the forefathers of our race observed in paradise, as long as they continued in a state of innocence and lived in blessed peace with our God and Creator, was the beginning and type of the rest to which the creation, after it had fallen from fellowship with God through the sin of man, received a promise that it should once more be restored through redemption, at its final consummation." Commentary on the Old Testament (1985 ed.; C.F. Keil and F. Delitzsch), page 70.

"The commencement of the kingdom of grace, in the sanctification of the Sabbath day (verse 3): The solemn observance of one day in seven, as a day of holy rest and holy work, to God's honor, is the indispensable duty of all those to whom God has revealed His holy Sabbaths. Sabbaths are as ancient as the world; and I see no reason to doubt that the Sabbath, being now instituted in innocency [before the fall], was religiously observed by the people of God throughout the patriarchal age. The Sabbath of the Lord is truly honorable, and we have reason to honor in obedience to him. The Sabbath day is a blessed day, for God blessed it, and that which he blesses is blessed indeed. God has promised, on that day, to meet us and bless us. The Sabbath day is a holy day, for God has sanctified it." Matthew Henry's Bible Commentary (1960 ed.), page 5.

"[Sabbath], the primary idea of which is to sit still, depicts Elohim as desisting from His creative labors, and assuming a posture of quiescent repose. The expression is a pure anthropomorphism. 'He who fainteth not, neither is weary' (Isaiah 40:28), can be conceived of neither as resting nor as needing rest through either exhaustion or fatigue. ... The blessing of the seventh day implied—1. That it was thereby declared to be the special object of the Divine favor. 2. That it was thenceforth to be a day or epoch of blessing for His creation. And—3. That it was to be invested with a permanence which did not belong to the other six days—every one of which passed away and gave place to a successor. [God] literally declared it holy ('and sanctified it'), for holy purposes. As afterwards Mount Sinai was sanctified (Exodus 19:23), or, for the time being, invested with a sacred character as the residence of God; and Aaron and his sons were sanctified, or consecrated to the priestly office; and the year of the jubilee was sanctified, or devoted to the purpose of religion, so here was the seventh day sanctified, or instituted in the interests of holiness, and as such proclaimed to be a holy day." [The author then goes on at length about how patriarchs observed the Sabbath] Josephus is quoted, "There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come." The Pulpit Commentary (1978 ed., Thomas Whitelaw), pages 35, 36.

 

[HIM]

It's obvious at this point HIM that you are unable to tell me what the verses that YOU posted mean. I rest my case.

Case?
Are you okay?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And from the God-breathed Holy Scriptures we read:

Ephesians 2:14-15 - ". . .he himself. . .has made the two one. . .by abolishing in his flesh the (ceremonial) law with its commandments and regulations."

Hebrews 8:13 - ". ..by calling this (NT) covenant "new," he has made the first (old, Mosaic) covenant obsolete."

And noting that the first Scripture above was penned by the one who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5).

Previously addressed in post #715.

Previously you said God’s 10 commandments are His eternal morals laws (somewhere on this tread) but now you’re saying they are the mosaic ceremonial laws. Maybe you can refer to the scripture of the laws that God indicted He writes in our hearts and minds in the second covenant? Obviously we need to know which laws we are still to keep in both mind and heart.

 

[HIM]

Also commentaries:

"We must conclude, therefore, that on the seventh day, on which God rested from His work, the world also, with all its inhabitants, attained to the sacred rest of God; that the sabbath day rest and the sabbath festivals of God were made a rest and sabbatic festival for His creatures, especially for man; and that this day of rest of the new created world, which the forefathers of our race observed in paradise, as long as they continued in a state of innocence and lived in blessed peace with our God and Creator, was the beginning and type of the rest to which the creation, after it had fallen from fellowship with God through the sin of man, received a promise that it should once more be restored through redemption, at its final consummation." Commentary on the Old Testament (1985 ed.; C.F. Keil and F. Delitzsch), page 70.

"The commencement of the kingdom of grace, in the sanctification of the Sabbath day (verse 3): The solemn observance of one day in seven, as a day of holy rest and holy work, to God's honor, is the indispensable duty of all those to whom God has revealed His holy Sabbaths. Sabbaths are as ancient as the world; and I see no reason to doubt that the Sabbath, being now instituted in innocency [before the fall], was religiously observed by the people of God throughout the patriarchal age. The Sabbath of the Lord is truly honorable, and we have reason to honor in obedience to him. The Sabbath day is a blessed day, for God blessed it, and that which he blesses is blessed indeed. God has promised, on that day, to meet us and bless us. The Sabbath day is a holy day, for God has sanctified it." Matthew Henry's Bible Commentary (1960 ed.), page 5.

"[Sabbath], the primary idea of which is to sit still, depicts Elohim as desisting from His creative labors, and assuming a posture of quiescent repose. The expression is a pure anthropomorphism. 'He who fainteth not, neither is weary' (Isaiah 40:28), can be conceived of neither as resting nor as needing rest through either exhaustion or fatigue. ... The blessing of the seventh day implied—1. That it was thereby declared to be the special object of the Divine favor. 2. That it was thenceforth to be a day or epoch of blessing for His creation. And—3. That it was to be invested with a permanence which did not belong to the other six days—every one of which passed away and gave place to a successor. [God] literally declared it holy ('and sanctified it'), for holy purposes. As afterwards Mount Sinai was sanctified (Exodus 19:23), or, for the time being, invested with a sacred character as the residence of God; and Aaron and his sons were sanctified, or consecrated to the priestly office; and the year of the jubilee was sanctified, or devoted to the purpose of religion, so here was the seventh day sanctified, or instituted in the interests of holiness, and as such proclaimed to be a holy day." [The author then goes on at length about how patriarchs observed the Sabbath] Josephus is quoted, "There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come." The Pulpit Commentary (1978 ed., Thomas Whitelaw), pages 35, 36.

Nice truth and Happy Sabbath.

Though it is possible due to His Spirit in us to know all truth through Him and that we need not that any man teach us. Sadly the Church has leavened itself through sin and has hindered what our Lord has intended. For us as individuals in Christ to move through Christ with the connection, the Faith to God that He had. That we be one as they are one Christ in God, us in Christ that the world might believe.

 

[HIM]

Nice truth and Happy Sabbath.

Though it is possible due to His Spirit in us to know all truth through Him and that we need not that any man teach us. Sadly the Church has leavened itself through sin and has hindered what our Lord has intended. For us as individuals in Christ to move through Christ with the connection, the Faith to God that He had. That we be one as they are one Christ in God, us in Christ that the world might believe.

I just re-read what was posted. It brings tears to my eyes. Sad....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Post #472 is not your post.

Post #747 is completely addressed in my two simple responses there.

Post #754 does not take into account all the references to failure to enter Canaan (3:7-11, 15-18, 4:1, 11), to disobedience (3:16, 18, 4:6, 11) and to unbelief (3:12, 19, 4:2), which have nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment,
as well as not taking into account that Heb 4:1-13 is speaking of a full-time Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:3b-4), not just a weekly Sabbath rest.

An adequate explanation of Heb 4:1-13 has to be in the light of all these.

Thank you that was a typo. The link was to post # 742 so sorry about that and thanks for letting me know. If you clicked on it you would have known this. I have changed this from post 472 to post 442 in the post above. Please do not respond to anymore of my posts as we are in disagreement as shown why from the scriptures so our discussion has now ended for the time being because you have not addressed the scriptures in the posts shared with you that disagree with your claims that Gods Sabbath is every day and that Gods' 10 commandments are now abolished. These claims were proven to be false interpretations of the scriptures as proven in the scripture contexts in post # 442; post # 747 and post # 754 that you still have not addressed. Of course as posted earlier you do not have to address these scriptures that disagree with you if you do not want to. They were only provided in love and as a help to the discussion. So for now we will have to agree to disagree and our discussion has now come to an end. Please do not respond to any more of my posts unless you want to address the scriptures and the content of the posts shared with you that we are in disagreement with. As posted earlier we will have to agree to disagree. I will you leave the scriptures shared in love and as a help between you and God and pray that you might consider them in your personal time with Jesus if you wish to do this.

Thank you for the discussion.

 

[BobRyan]

Again, what does this mean: "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

1 John 2 - interesting choice speaking of the work of the Holy Spirit - John has a lot to say

John 16
7 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: 9 regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; 11 and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them at the present time. 13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take from Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you.

Heb 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

In ever evangelistic effort - in the case of every soul that comes to Christ - it is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict them, to bring them to the foot of the cross, to enlighten the mind, to bring in the new birth for the one that chooses to "open the door".

Rev 3: 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

 

[Clare73]

Post #472 is not your post.

Post #747 is completely addressed in my two simple responses there.

Post #754 does not take into account all the references

to failure to enter Canaan (3:7-11, 15-18, 4:1, 11), to disobedience (3:16, 18, 4:6, 11) and to unbelief (3:12, 19, 4:2), which have nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment,

as well as not taking into account that Heb 4:1-13 is speaking of a full-time Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:3b-4), not just a weekly Sabbath rest.

An adequate explanation of Heb 4:1-13 has to include all these, which yours does not.

Isaiah 66:22-23 - "As the new heavens and earth that I make will endure before me. . .From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before me to worship."

"From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath". . .is without interruption--full-time, as in Jesus' fulfillment of God's own full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest, into which we enter in his salvation-rest from our work to save and in his finished work which has saved (Heb 3:7-4:11).

Thank you that was a typo. The link was to post # 742 so sorry about that and thanks for letting me know. If you clicked on it you would have known this. I have changed this from post 472 to post 442 in the post above. Please do not respond to anymore of my posts as we are in disagreement as shown why from the scriptures so our discussion has now ended for the time being because you have not addressed the scriptures in the posts shared with you that disagree with your claims that Gods Sabbath is every day and that Gods' 10 commandments are now abolished. These claims were proven to be a false interpretation of the scriptures as shown in post # 442; post # 747 and post # 754 that you still have not addressed. Of course as posted earlier you do not have to address these scriptures that disagree with you if you do not want to. They were only provided in love and as a help to the dsicussion. So for now we will have to agree to disagree and our discussion has now come to an end. Please do not respond to any more of my posts unless you want to address the scriptures and the content of the posts shared with you that we are in disagreement with. As posted earlier we will have to agree to disagree. I will you leave the scriptures shared in love and as a help between you and God and pray that you might consider them in your personal time with Jesus if you wish to do this.

Thank you for the discussion.

The relevant material in the new link for post #472 above is identical to post #754 above,
so consider post#742 addressed in post #754 above.

 

[pescador]

Bait? I am not baiting you.
If I am wrong I am sorry But To be honest I am having an issue believing you don't understand it. I think you trying to make a point and actually it is lost on me because out of all the verses in the KJV you could of made this stance on, this is one I can honestly say, says what it says.

That Christ, His Spirit in us, abiding in us teaches us all things and is truth. As He teaches us, He teaches us to abide in Him as He is in us because we know the truth due to His Spirit we need not that any man teach us.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Sorry but you were baiting me. You, like so many others, quote verses -- there were no verses in the Bible manuscripts -- from the KJV, then interpret them as you see fit. I assume that you are not a professional translator, so why do you feel qualified to interpret what the archaic English -- itself a translation -- actually means?

Here is a clear example...

1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV): For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1 Corinthians 14:33 (NIV): For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
1 Corinthians 14:33 (NET): for God is not characterized by disorder but by peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

Do you see how the meaning of "the author of confusion" is not the same as the other versions translate the early texts?

Nobody, including yourself, needs to give us your interpretation of what the Bible says when that has been done for us by competent translators.

QED. With that I am leaving this discussion of Biblical interpretation and returning to the subject of the OP.

 

[HIM]

Sorry but you were baiting me. You, like so many others, quote verses -- there were no verses in the Bible manuscripts -- from the KJV, then interpret them as you see fit. I assume that you are not a professional translator, so why do you feel qualified to interpret what the archaic English -- itself a translation -- actually means?

Here is a clear example...

1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV): For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1 Corinthians 14:33 (NIV): For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
1 Corinthians 14:33 (NET): for God is not characterized by disorder but by peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

Do you see how the meaning of "the author of confusion" is not the same as the other versions translate the early texts?

Nobody, including yourself, needs to give us your interpretation of what the Bible says when that has been done for us by competent translators.

QED. With that I am leaving this discussion of Biblical interpretation and returning to the subject of the OP.

I stopped reading your post after the first three sentences.
Have a nice day