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Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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So is the passage referring to all of God's commandments or just the 10 written on the tablets?

I ask it again, because now it seems to me that you are saying all of the commandments, not just the 10.
Maybe you can tell me. This is what God said about His commandments (The Ten).

God's LAW was written and made by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and nothing was to be added to it. (God's LAW; Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4; Exodus 20; Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 10:4 Ecc 3:14; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5)

It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment, because God was the one alone who made it and commanded Moses to keep in separated from the book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Neh 10:29; Deut 10:4-5; Deut 31:25-26; Deut 4:13; Ex 34:28)

God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it and it was to be separated from the Mosaic book of the law. That is why it is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments (not the 613).

The Mosaic law was made and written and spoken by Moses as directed by God in the book of the covenant. (Mosaic Book of the law; Deut 31:9; Ex 24:3-4; Deut 31:24-27; Col 2:14-17).

God not only commanded Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the Mosaic book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Deut 10:5; 31:25-26 nothing was to be added to it (Deut 4:1-2; Deut 5:22)

God makes a distinction between the 10 Commandments and the book of the law of Moses….

2 Kings 21:8, Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.
 
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I believe He means all of His commandments, not just the 10. How about you?

Is the passage in Revelation referring to all of God's commandments or just the 10?
 
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I believe He means all of His commandments, not just the 10. How about you?

Is the passage in Revelation referring to all of God's commandments or just the 10?
God commandments are 10, but there are other laws written and spoken by Moses given by God. So which laws do you think are included? Does it includes the dietary laws? What about the ceremonial laws that ended at the cross like the blood sacrifices and feasts days? What other laws specifically do you think is included in this passage? Do you think the 10 are even included and it is just the law of Moses? Maybe you can clarify your thoughts.
 
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The ten commandments were the words of the old covenant, right? Christians are not under the words of the old covenant. Paul wrote the following about the ten commandments:
2Cor3: 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Notice Paul is writing about the ten commandments in past tense. Also, notice that the translators in the NIV use the word transitory which means temporary. If you care to look up the KJV you will find the words "done away" used to describe the condition of the ten commandments.

All the debating over a set of rules given to only one nation that no longer exists is a work of futility.

I know some come-backs. You will claim lawlessness, we can now commit all sorts of sins because we don't have any laws. That is simply not true. Christians are under the law of love. See Jn15:10-14. the love laws cover all debauchery and sins committed to others.
 
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I believe He means all of His commandments, not just the 10. How about you?

Is the passage in Revelation referring to all of God's commandments or just the 10?
I believe, since we are not under old covenant laws, that God's commands have to mean the commands that Jesus gave us and found in Jn15:10-14
 
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Not really Clare. I am sorry but I respectfully disagree with your claims here but let me show why through the scriptures.
There is only one way to show my explanation of Heb 3:7-4:13 is incorrect, and that is to
present the correct one.

This you have not done.
 
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God's commandments are all of God's commandments. All of them.

The passage does not state anything different, does it?

[Rev 14:12 ESV] Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

Do you believe the passage is specific to just a certain number of them? If so, which ones, and why do you believe it is only limited to those?
 
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Are you answering a question with a question? One that was answered, but you didn't answer mine.
 
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It seems that a lot of people are looking and searching for any loophole they can find. In doing so, the only person you are hurting is yourself. We have a very loving God, a very forgiving God, but God tells us we show our love to Him when we obey. 1 John 5:3 His laws are laws of love- shown how we are to love Him and how to love each other. God gives us free will. He does that because He loves us so much He wants each of us to choose to love Him. We writes His laws in our hearts and minds and we obey because of our changed heart, There will be no sin in Heaven or the New Earth. He still gives us free will. Should we try to live a life that is sin-free now with the Help of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 or wait until another day? Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. God bless
 
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Are you answering a question with a question? One that was answered, but you didn't answer mine.
I believe I answered all of your questions in that post?

Your questions were;


My answer is all of them. Yes. All of them. None are excluded. All are included.

But you keep bypassing my question.

[Rev 14:12 ESV] Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

Do you believe the passage is specific to just a certain number of commandments?

If so, which ones, and why do you believe it is only limited to those?
 
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So you believe in blood sacrifice? And the feast days? Do you also practice the dietary laws? Just curious since this did not get answered.
 
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So you believe in blood sacrifice? And the feast days? Do you also practice the dietary laws? Just curious since this did not get answered.
Those were not your questions. Those are different questions.

I will answer those questions, but first I would like you to answer my question.

[Rev 14:12 ESV] Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

Do you believe the passage is specific to just a certain number of them?

If so, which ones, and why do you believe it is only limited to those?
 
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The commandments of God is referred to as the Ten, I'm pretty sure I said that now a few time. When you love God you are going to want to keep all of the required laws which includes God's 10.

The questions I asked was the same ones from before read a few posts up.
 
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Here is the paragraph in which that verse appears...

"A third angel followed the first two, declaring in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and takes the mark on his forehead or his hand, that person will also drink of the wine of God’s anger that has been mixed undiluted in the cup of his wrath, and he will be tortured with fire and sulfur in front of the holy angels and in front of the Lamb. And the smoke from their torture will go up forever and ever, and those who worship the beast and his image will have no rest day or night, along with anyone who receives the mark of his name.” This requires the steadfast endurance of the saints—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to their faith in Jesus." Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:

‘Blessed are the dead,
those who die in the Lord from this moment on!’”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “so they can rest from their hard work, because their deeds will follow them.”
Revelation 14:9-13

Notice that the last sentence of the first paragraph begins "this requires the steadfast endurance of the saints--" What does? The resistance of the saints to worshiping the beast and his image and takes the mark on his forehead or his hand" This is all about succumbing to the beast. The last sentence is about the saints, those who obey God’s commandments and hold to their faith in Jesus, enduring those times." The reference to obeying the commandments is a description of obedient saints, which is "hard work".

This wouldn't have been written if it was certain that all believers would endure the pressure to follow the beast.
 
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Ah, you might have implied something different, but you did not ask it.

You have left a part of my question unanswered though. Why do you believe it is only limited to the ten?

Also, by your answer, you believe we can be anxious about tomorrow even though Jesus said not to?

[Mat 6:34 ESV] "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
 
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  • The Ten Commandments were given significance, having been written by God's hand on stone, twice. (Exodus 31:18, Exodus 34:1)
  • God spoke the commandments to His people. (Exodus 20:1-18)
  • God also gave other laws to Moses, which he wrote down. (Exodus 24:3-4)
  • The cross fulfilled the laws that pointed forward to Jesus from the time of Moses. The remission of sin through sacrifices, feasts, etc. (Leviticus 18:4, Hebrews 9:1; Colossians 2:14, Ephesians 2:15-17) After the resurrection, Jesus went to heaven, into the heavenly sanctuary to cleanse it (Hebrews 9:22-28, Daniel 8:14—the 2300 year prophecy) and to be our advocate and mediator to God (1 Timothy 2:5, 1 John 2:1, Hebrews 8:6); replacing the earthly sanctuary, which only pointed to Jesus. It's why the veil was torn, signifying the work finished.
  • Jesus, during His ministry, reiterated God's law of love and the eternal binding of all of the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:37-40)
Conclusion: God gave the Ten Commandments special significance. Whatever laws show us how to love God and love others are eternally binding, just as love is eternal, just as the Ten Commandments are eternal.​
 
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Right, but the question is what are the "commandments" that are spoken of? Just the ten on tablets, or are their others?
 
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Is this commandment found written on the tablets?

[Mat 22:37-38 ESV] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.
 
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Is this commandment found written on the tablets?

[Mat 22:37-38 ESV] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

Yes, it's in the first four of the Ten Commandments. Jesus said on love hangs all the law and the prophets. All of the law is love, therefore, it stands to reason that all of the law either teaches us to love God or love others.

If you read my post, I just made that point:

"Conclusion: God gave the Ten Commandments special significance. Whatever laws show us how to love God and love others are eternally binding, just as love is eternal, just as the Ten Commandments are eternal."​
 
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Right, but the question is what are the "commandments" that are spoken of? Just the ten on tablets, or are their others?

All of them. Why do you think the rest of God's commandments aren't included? The most well-known of these are the Ten Commandments , but the first five books of the Bible -- the Torah -- contain a total of 613 commandments covering many aspects of daily life, including family, personal hygiene and diet.

I don't believe that believers are supposed to choose which of God's commandments to obey and which to ignore. That said, believers are not under law but under grace, guided by the Holy Spirit, not by the written laws no matter how many there are.
 
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