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Exactly, God spoke, Moses wrote.I thought Moses wrote what God instructed him to do...
Cool! do we agree then that the law of Moses is written by God in the sense that God is the author?I already said the law of Moses was given by God written by Moses. God’s laws was written and spoken by Him. They were also written on stone.
Yes, God said to Israel, He didn't say it to anyone else, did He?But God said to keep Holy the seventh day. Yes, we should worship Him daily, much different that the instructions in the 4th commandment.
Not if we believe Jesus and love Him. Did Jesus steal, lie, worship idols, etc? No, because He loves us and asks us to do the same for all mankind. Simple isn't it?So it’s okay to lie, steal, worship idols, vain His name etc. ?
Imge, that is not what your church teaches. According to your church I am lost because I once observed the Israelite Sabbath and turned my back on it. That smacks of salvation by works. I have to perform a ritual law of the old covenant to be saved. Where am I missing the boat?I think what most people confuse is grace. It’s God’s gift! We are saved by grace through our faith. We keep the law because we are saved and have a new heart. God says He shows mercy to those that keep His commandments. He says this in His commandments. Exodus 20:6
I would like to know if what came out of God's mouth was inferior to what He wrote with His finger?Cool! do we agree then that the law of Moses is written by God in the sense that God is the author?
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the curse of the law, which is death, but you are still under God's law (1 Corinthians 9:21).If you try to keep the letter, you will die, imo. The spirit brings life, the letter brings death.
I think that's why it is those who are led by the spirit who are not under the law. If it were my own interpretation of a commandment, you're right! that would be very dangerous!
Do you believe the Spirit has the power to lead you as you walk through life?
Gotta' point this out. . ."the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law" are not Biblical.Abolishing the laws or living out the spirit of the laws instead of the letter results in the same thing in practice, imo. So a different way of saying the same thing, I think.
To declare my explanation in Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean? as "untrue" is not a refutation.
You must demonstrate that mine is incorrect, by presenting your own explanation of Heb 3:7-4:13
for my examination, taking into account and being consistent with all its points:
why a warning to Hebrews, of all people, about Sabbath keeping;
multiple references each to unbelief, disobedience, refusal to enter Canaan;
full-time (4:3b-4) Sabbath rest, not a weekly Sabbath rest.
This you have not done.
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the curse of the law, which is death, but you are still under God's law (1 Corinthians 9:21).
Gotta' point this out. . ."the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law" are not Biblical.
"He has made us competent as ministers of the new covenant-- not of 'the letter' (law), but of 'the Spirit' (grace); for 'the letter' (law) kills, but 'the Spirit' (power of grace) gives life." (2 Corinthians 3:6)
Paul is not presenting a "letter of the law" distinct, different or opposed to "the spirit of the law."
He is not presenting an external literal sense of Scripture which kills, in opposition to an inner spiritual sense of Scripture which gives life.
Paul presents only "the letter" and "the Spirit," the law and the Holy Spirit, the law which kills because of its curse on disobedience, and the Holy Spirit who gives life in writing the law on our hearts, enabling us to obey it, in fulfillment of the promise of the New Covenant. "The letter" and "the Spirit" are both the law--one external, the other internal, one given without power to obey, the other given with power to obey. To obey the letter is to obey the Spirit. There is no "dead letter" in Scripture.
Paul is not pitting inner attitude against outward obedience, or "inner leading" against the written Word. He is pitting an inability to obey the standard (causing death) against an ability to obey the standard (giving life).
This one I can agree with however, well written.
The dead works of Hebrews 6:1, 9:14 (there is no "dead letter') mean the works of the law which produce death, due to its curse. (See Ro 7:4-13).
So Scripture teaches that to obey the letter is to obey the Spirit (the law engrafted on our hearts), that in the NT the letter is the Spirit which gives life, that the letter and the Spirit are both the law, and Scripture knows nothing of "obeying the letter of the law without obeying the spirit of the law."
To declare my explanation in Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean? as "untrue" is not a refutation.Nonsense. The scriptures shared with you in Post # 1006 linked demonstrates your post claims and conclusions were not correct section by section and scripture by scripture with scripture showing the reasons why your post and claims were not true. If you disagree please respond to the linked post and the scriptures provided in it. Your response so far is to simply ignore this post and the scriptures shared with you that show why your claims of Jesus being the Sabbath is simply not biblical. For me personally Clare, your refusal to respond to the scriptures provided in the linked post simply by denial, rinse and repeat without addressing the post's content showing why you might disagree with it is not a response to what was shared with you. The linked post above proves you did not exegete Hebrews 3:7 to Hebrews 4:13 correctly in your post # 715 and was only sent to further discussion on these scriptures for edification. Of course you are free to believe as you wish and you do not have to address my linked post and the scriptures shared with you but your unwillingness to answer this post is telling. The scriptures provided in the linked post were only shared in love and as a help to you. Ignoring God's Word in order to avoid discussion does not make it disappear. Therefore we will have to agree to disagree and end our discussion.
This was never a point I was not making. God's laws were separated from the other laws. God's laws written by God and on stone, that is significate. Our Creator writing scripture for us! Paul gets to the heart of the matter when he said 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God. Many laws given to Moses that he wrote on scrolls, not stone were meant for the Israelites during the wilderness. Many of those laws ended at the cross. God's laws are eternal and they teach us the perfect way to love God and to love each other.Cool! do we agree then that the law of Moses is written by God in the sense that God is the author?
Here's just some ideas,
Perhaps God wrote on the stone tablets himself because it takes humans a long time to inscribe something deeply on stone, and Moses' time on the mountain was limited. Also it takes special tools.
Had God written all the instructions on stone tablets, the print would have been too small to read, or they would have been too heavy for Moses to carry.
Why did God want at least some of it on stone? So it could be contrasted later with that which is written on hearts of flesh.
The phrase
Finger of God
may be a Hebrew idiom for "miraculously". That's how Pharaoh's magicians describes some of the miracles.
This was never a point I was not making. God's laws were separated from the other laws. God's laws written by God and on stone, that is significate. Our Creator writing scripture for us! Paul gets to the heart of the matter when he said 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God. Many laws given to Moses that he wrote on scrolls, not stone were meant for the Israelites during the wilderness. Many of those laws ended at the cross. God's laws are eternal and they teach us the perfect way to love God and to love each other.
Not if we believe Jesus and love Him. Did Jesus steal, lie, worship idols, etc? No, because He loves us and asks us to do the same for all mankind. Simple isn't it?
Imge, that is not what your church teaches. According to your church I am lost because I once observed the Israelite Sabbath and turned my back on it. That smacks of salvation by works. I have to perform a ritual law of the old covenant to be saved. Where am I missing the boat?
To declare my explanation in Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean? as "untrue" is not a refutation.
You must demonstrate that mine is incorrect, by presenting your own explanation of Heb 3:7-4:13
for my examination, taking into account and being consistent with all its points:
why a warning to Hebrews, of all people, about Sabbath keeping;
multiple references each to unbelief, disobedience, refusal to enter Canaan;
full-time (4:3b-4) Sabbath rest, not a weekly Sabbath rest.
This you have not done.
According to the scriptures in the new testament Bob, God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word.Yes, God said to Israel, He didn't say it to anyone else, did He?
Was there any other laws placed inside the Ark? Did God write any other laws aside from the Ten? Was there any other laws written on stone?The laws were never separated. Where are you reading this?
You must demonstrate that mine is incorrect, by presenting your own explanation of Heb 3:7-4:13Now Clare, I respectfully disagree with what you have written here in your post. I did not declare anything. I provided scripture that proves your claims in regards to Hebrews 4 that Jesus is the Sabbath is incorrect addressing your post section by section and scripture by scripture with scripture, showing you did not exegete Hebrews 3:7 to Hebrews 4:13 correctly in your post # 715. So I respectfully disagree with everything you have said here in your post. Anyhow I have provided the linked post for all to see in post # 1006 linked. We will agree to disagree and end the discussion. You are free to believe as you wish. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Was there any other laws placed inside the Ark? Did God write any other laws aside from the Ten? Was there any other laws written on stone?
You must demonstrate that mine is incorrect, by presenting your own explanation of Heb 3:7-4:13
for my examination, taking into account and being consistent with all its points:
why a warning to Hebrews, of all people, about Sabbath keeping;
multiple references each to unbelief, disobedience, refusal to enter Canaan;
full-time (4:3b-4) Sabbath rest, not a weekly Sabbath rest.
This you have not done.
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