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Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:We are all here for only one reason. We are looking for the truth.
What is your definition of unbelief?
If someone believes every path is truthful, is it called "unbelief"?
The Lord is tolerant with all of us, not just Christians.
When the time comes, you'll know too.
Montalban said:Isn't that itself trying to impose your ideas on him? He obviously feels, as part of his belief, very strongly about it. You're asking him to stifle his freedom of expression on an issue very important to him, because you feel uncomfortable about it.
Your freedom -v- his freedom.
Montalban said:The Lord said I am the truth, and the Way. For you to believe that my truth is relative, when in fact my truth claims to be absolute is illogical. We both can't be right! Unless you modify my idea of truth to suit yours, or visa versa.
Are you sure about that?Those of unbelief are hear for only 2 reasons. They are looking for the truth or are trying to tear it down.
There's a difference between expressing your beliefs and cramming them down other people's throats.We as Christians express our beliefs and are labelled intollerant.
As a side note, Pascal's Wager isn't going to change anyone's mind.When the time comes many are going to find out just how tollerant th Lord was with all of us.
Lokisdottir said:I'm not imposing ideas, I'm giving advice.
He thinks that by preaching hellfire, he'll win non-Christians over to his side. But he's wrong; all he's doing is pushing us farther away.
It would do him well to change his tactics, but if he stubbornly refuses, then you have to wonder, what is his REAL motivation? Concern for our souls, or a simple desire to annoy people?
Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:I am also saying the same thing.
The Lord said "I am the truth, and the Way".
Has anyone reached the Lord yet?
Only the Lord is the truth. Not what you and me say is the truth.
Montalban said:You are giving advice based on your ideas that such statements of his faith are not to be heard. You are imposing your ideas! I state what I believe to be true too, only you are denying you do.
Montalban said:You are giving advice based on your ideas that such statements of his faith are not to be heard. You are imposing your ideas! I state what I believe to be true too, only you are denying you do.
Irish_Guevara said:There's a difference between expressing your beliefs and cramming them down other people's throats.
Montalban said:Your version of who is the Lord and mine differ. If not you'd be an Orthodox Christian, or I'd be 'Hindu' as you are. I find it very odd that you're arguing such an untenable position. We both obviously have different ideas, you're arguing we don't!
Like the Chinese saying "Many spokes share the same hub" (I think it's from Tao Ching, if memory serves), you want to believe we all believe the same thing. I don't. The very fact I don't disproves your point.
You are telling him that here! You are obviously suggesting that they are repugnant (not necessarily to you, but to some; driving them away). As I said, you are the only one denying what you are saying.Lokisdottir said:Where did I EVER say that his "statements of faith" are not to be heard? They're being heard all right, the trouble is they're not having the effect he most likely wants them to have. Is this so difficult to understand?
Lokisdottir said:By the way, do all Christian "statements of faith" have to involve telling others why their faiths are wrong and bad?
Montalban said:What if it's part of his belief to cram those beliefs down your throat?
Pascal's Wager...
http://www.thewhyman.jesusanswers.com/whats_new.html
Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:Ok.
My version of the Lord is "He is formless. In the purest sense, He should be worshipped as a Spirit. But we can also use images and statues as symbols to try and reach that state."
What is your version of the Lord? And tell me which is truth?
Me worshipping Shiva idols, etc... or you worshippong Mary images etc....?
Just tell me. I want to hear. I believe God is Spirit. WHat do you believe?
Montalban said:What if it's part of his belief to cram those beliefs down your throat?
Lokisdottir said:Not at all. I'm here to discuss with other non-Christians, engage in some friendly debate, and hopefully learn something. People from all different religions, from all parts of the world, post here--I've even seen one poster from Antarctica.It's a very interesting place to be, so that's why I'm here.
You're free to express your beliefs all you want, but is it really so much to ask for us to have one thread that doesn't talk about hell? We can't stop you of course, but if your mission is to bring us to the Lord, you're shooting yourself in the foot. The more you preach damnation, the less likely we are to convert, 'cause all it does is alienate us and make us think you're hateful.
Montalban said:That's a different argument you are trying to get me to buy... before you were arguing we're all worshipping the same thing, but now you're not. You have contradicted yourself.
thirsty said:I am sorry that I do not sugarcoat the truth. What would you like to hear, a lie?
Lokisdottir said:In that case, he's obliged to keep them to himself.
"You have a right to swing your fist. I have a right not to be punched in the face. So your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins."
Or, in this case, "Your right to cram your beliefs ends where my throat begins."
And before you say it, yes, I know none of this applies here on Christian Forums. But in the real world it does, and if anyone offline tried to use the excuse that it's part of their beliefs that they should heckle me, they'd soon learn otherwise.
Now you've lost me.Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:If someone's nature is to fight over differences and not see the underlying truth, then I cannot help but to take a defensive stand here.
This type of talk is again going to lead this thread into a dogfight.Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:Do you know the truth yet?
Does just accepting Christ and repenting for your sins make you the leading scholar on what is truth and what is not?
You don't have to sugarcoat the truth. But also try not to coat it with a foul-smelling bitter paint.
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