The Lord commissioned us to turn all people into believers, though, so if he had to throw some in the pit, it's because His disciples failed. Sounds like you're praying for that instead of praying for success in bringing people to Christ. Telling non believers that you pray that God quickly sends them to Hell seems like the opposite of a disciple's job.Praying for the Lord to do exactly what he said he would do, and that's separate the wolves from the sheep.
The Lord commissioned us to turn all people into believers, though, so if he had to throw some in the pit, it's because His disciples failed.
The Lord commissioned us to turn all people into believers, though, so if he had to throw some in the pit, it's because His disciples failed. Sounds like you're praying for that instead of praying for success in bringing people to Christ. Telling non believers that you pray that God quickly sends them to Hell seems like the opposite of a disciple's job.
Not to mention the fact that it can actually turn people away from Christ and cause them to have a poor image of His followers.
If unconditional election applies, if I understand it, there's no need to make disciples, right? God's already chosen them.Not if unconditional election and irresistible grace obtain. Also, where is this commission to turn all people into believers? I recall "make disciples of all nations," but not "convert everyone."
If unconditional election applies, if I understand it, there's no need to make disciples, right? God's already chosen them.
If not, the verse in Matthew says to make disciples in (of) all nations, baptizing them. I didn't assume He meant to baptize the nations, but the people in the nations. If I'm right, then how many people is enough? If you are a disciple, and see it as important to answer God's call, why instead pray for failure and thus quick condemnation of the non believers you encounter? People come here to learn, maybe find faith...you don't even need to lace up your sandals and go to them. Yet some would rather run them off.
If unconditional election applies, if I understand it, there's no need to make disciples, right? God's already chosen them.
If not, the verse in Matthew says to make disciples in (of) all nations, baptizing them. I didn't assume He meant to baptize the nations, but the people in the nations. If I'm right, then how many people is enough? If you are a disciple, and see it as important to answer God's call, why instead pray for failure and thus quick condemnation of the non believers you encounter?
People come here to learn, maybe find faith...you don't even need to lace up your sandals and go to them. Yet some would rather run them off.
I've been here for a couple of weeks, to, looking for help from Christians to recover my lost faith. I identify as a Catholic agnostic, Catholic because I'm still trying, attending Mass, praying, serving my parish, trying to lead a good life, etc..and agnostics because I doubt God exists. Maybe this isn't the place for me if the Christians here would rather just see me in Hell than take the effort to help.No, that does not logically follow within a Christian context. God may use the tools at His disposal to achieve His goals. One of those tools are His disciples. God is able to destroy an entire army by making them slaughter each other or by using His people Israel to achieve the same goal. Remember those various stories throughout the Bible?
There's nothing inconsistent about praying for the judgment of reprobates. The very term (reprobate) means "rejected." They are given over to their vile affections, to the wicked lusts of their hearts by God. They openly reject the gospel and exchange the truth of God for a lie. I'm with Mikhael here. Jesus come soon and throw these rapid wolves into the pit.
People come here to commune with fellow Christians or lambaste us for believing in God and that His word is truth and life to them that believe. I've only been here for a couple of weeks and that's readily apparent to me.
I'm starting to become of the opinion that if our betters at the top have no obligation to follow the law, us plebians at the bottom should also have no such obligation.
I've been here for a couple of weeks, to, looking for help from Christians to recover my lost faith. I identify as a Catholic agnostic, Catholic because I'm still trying, attending Mass, praying, serving my parish, trying to lead a good life, etc..and agnostics because I doubt God exists. Maybe this isn't the place for me if the Christians here would rather just see me in Hell than take the effort to help.
That's why I think things like laws against gay marriage have no place in the broader secular society. There's no argument for banning gay marriage outside of the religious ones. Religions that oppose gay marriage should teach their members not to engage in it, can rightfully refuse to give a religious blessing to it, and should teach people of the spiritual penalties they see associated with it. If they want to see it gone from the greater society, they simply have to share their faith and convince more to come into their fold.And what a downward spiral that would be for this nation if every citizen decided that he or she didn't have to follow the laws of this country because said laws contradicted their religious beliefs or the lack of religious beliefs. So quite thankfully, no citizen, regardless of their religious preference, is above the laws of this country.
I've been here for a couple of weeks, to, looking for help from Christians to recover my lost faith. I identify as a Catholic agnostic, Catholic because I'm still trying, attending Mass, praying, serving my parish, trying to lead a good life, etc..and agnostics because I doubt God exists. Maybe this isn't the place for me if the Christians here would rather just see me in Hell than take the effort to help.
I wonder, if you saw an injured 'heathen' on the side of the road, would you help or pray for their death so that God could more quickly condemn them? Seems most would do a lot to save a life, even of a liberal, heathen, Muslim or athiest, but some of those who believe in eternal life aren't willing to do much to save the non believer from eternal suffering, but instead cheer it on.
A lot of these involve people knowingly choosing a profession that requires doing something they don't believe in. Kim Davis didn't do that so I'm a bit confused by the comparisons.
That's why I think things like laws against gay marriage have no place in the broader secular society. There's no argument for banning gay marriage outside of the religious ones. Religions that oppose gay marriage should teach their members not to engage in it, can rightfully refuse to give a religious blessing to it, and should teach people of the spiritual penalties they see associated with it. If they want to see it gone from the greater society, they simply have to share their faith and convince more to come into their fold.
Not illegal laws.Now I'm confused:
Kim Davis ran for county clerk and didn't understand her job was to actually administer the laws of the land ?
That's exactly what minor government officials do.
Not illegal laws.
but a lot of what we believe in comes out of religious arguments, we just blindly accept themIf no argument can be made for a law outside of a specific religious argument, then such a thing shouldn't be a law in a society that is inclusive of all faiths or the absence of faith.
I think the OP doesn't understand the issue, which as I see it, is largely about the ontology of marriage.
What the living mercy sake is "illegal" law ?
I think laws that have be adjudicated up to the Supreme Court and held to be legal are by definition "legal"
Now, you don't have to agree with it, but as a government functionary you have to actually administer it.
If you can't do that, find another line of work.
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