What's dishonest about it?
Do you think I don't believe my own characterization of the issue? Odd.
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I don't consider your characterization of the debate to be an honest one, either.
Yes, in the first instance. Because homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, a behavior.
No, to the second question.
Because race is genetic, not a lifestyle choice or a behavior.
Someone doesn't choose to be Chinese.
While the same can not be said for homosexuals.
When homosexuals have said they chose to turn gay for whatever reason that individual sharing that intimate truth gives, anyone who advocates for homosexuals can not condemn that personal testimony and still claim to respect the choice or the individual homosexual.
What's dishonest about it?
These are the kinds of mindless arguments that makes engaging the left on any kind of intellectual level maddening. It's like trying to nail Jello to a tree.
For you and TKV: why are you on a "Christian" forum?
The problem isn't mindlessness, it's that your looking for an argument where none existed. I agreed with you, and you responded with nothing but vitriol. Why?
Speaking only for myself, I was invited here by a Christian. How about you?
Why does our objection to homosexuality bother you? Why does our practicing our faith bother you? Why does Christians owning businesses bother you? Does Christians voting bother you, too?
Do you have a problem with the Amish? They don't like modern society at all. Do you have a problem with that? Or would you be the type to make them drive cars and use power tools whether they believe in it or not?
How about the example of the Muslim restauranteur? Should he be serving pork chops because someone thinks they have the right to be served pork chops in a Muslim owned restaurant?
How about Buddhists? Should steak houses be forced to provide vegetarian menus for them? I have been in several Indian vegetarian restaurants. Should they be forced to serve steaks?
It all comes down to one thing: politics. Not "morality". People who would ask a religious person (ANY religious person) to go against their beliefs for the sake of politics has no business talking about morality.
And don't bother bringing up the old song and dance about the baker making cakes for everybody else, because I am sure the baker doesn't make gay wedding cakes for heteros. That is a service they do not provide for anybody.
Why would one need to be careful of Christians?
It bothers me because you are using your public buisness to moralize to people when their completely legal activities bother you.
Refusing services you would otherwise render. Like catering.
Question: If it is a violation of religious freedom to require certain businesses (florists, bakers, DJ's, venue owners, etc.) to provide their services in support of a same-sex wedding when such unions violate the owner's religious conscience, is it not equally as great a violation if a business owner is required to provide services for interreligious or interracial weddings when they have a religious objection to those?
I've wondered this since I started hearing about bakers and florists getting fined or sued for not wanting to be a part of a same-sex wedding, and now that we're hearing about states trying to pass legislation that will prevent those penalties from being leveled against business owners in those situations. I understand that current laws would not make it possible for a business to refuse service if the reason has to do with the client's race or religion, but don't those laws violate religious liberty just as much as the laws that would require providing services to same-sex weddings?
If the answer is "yes," what, if anything, should be done about it?
Why would one need to be careful of Christians?
And you would use the force of law to moralize to people whose completely legal activities bother YOU. If selling cakes is not illegal why should NOT selling cakes be illegal?
I guarantee you that the bakery does not make "gay" wedding cakes for sale to anyone.
And you would use the force of law to moralize to people whose completely legal activities bother YOU. If selling cakes is not illegal why should NOT selling cakes be illegal?
Related question: Do sincerely held religious beliefs absolve one of any crimes committed in the following of those beliefs, such as human sacrifice, sacred prostitution, or discrimination against a protected class of people?
It is because selling cakes is the basic idea of their buisness so picking and choosing who you sell to merely to moralize to them is something I don't think they have the right to.
You called me/mine "morally repugnant" and "bigots". I don't know what charm school you went to but where I come from those are fighting words.
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