Religions

[juvenissun]

Are you confused now? Prajapati is a Hindu deity and has nothing to do with Islam.

You may say that. I can't remember what came from where.

 

[Gracchus]

I can't remember what came from where.

We are not surprised.

 

[Euler]

You may say that. I can't remember what came from where.

Fundies Say The Darnedest Things!

 

[xTx]

Yes.



That depends.



Outing yourself as an atheist in large parts of the US is akin to social suicide.


Also: the west is predominantly christians. What you personally believe is not of my concern as long as it doesn't affect me one way or the other. But when faith-based beliefs are being used to try and implement certain laws and impose stuff upon society in any way, then it is ever patriot's responsability to jump on it and make it stop asap.

We live in a secular democracy and that's a good thing. For me AND for you.
It keeps (or at least: it should and it isn't really, which is a problem) you from imposing your faith-based religious ideas on me and it keeps me from for example outlawing your religion or whatever.

The reason why christians are the biggest target in the west, is because it's christians who are trying to impose their religion on legislation and public life.

If the people trying to do that were the pink unicorn cult, then you'ld see the exact same directed at them. And most likely, you'ld join the fight against them.

. If you don't like the west why don't you move to the parts of the world where Christians have no say. There are plenty of places like that outside US, Australia, Britain, Europe etc ... continents in fact where Christians are persecuted ...

 

[xTx]

There are some nice Christians. As a bunch they are no nicer than any random bunch.
There are plenty of folks attacking Muslims, these days. Jews are still a popular target.
It must be nice living in your fantasy world.

. please move to the Muslim world. It is better. No nasty Christians. than you tell me about fantasy world of yours ya

There are so many fleeing the troubled parts of the earth to go to the western world -

To lift everybody's spirits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWeVqw7CsIE

 

[JayFern]

I guess Christians where I am are a nice bunch. We know what is oppression and discrimination and we are the loudest when it comes to human rights...

American Christians know all about oppression and discrimination, if anyone wants to know about oppression and discrimination ask an American Christian, did you know that about 20% of Americans are NOT Christians?

 

[xTx]

American Christians know all about oppression and discrimination, if anyone wants to know about oppression and discrimination ask an American Christian, did you know that about 20% of Americans are NOT Christians?

. . Thanks for the statistics. where did it come from?

 

[JayFern]

. . Thanks for the statistics. where did it come from?

That's what the Christian websites are putting out, myself I don't think there are as many Christians as they think there are, in the UK people when asked just say they are C of E [church of England] whether they are or not.

Religion means so little to atheists that if it makes religious people feel better most just go along with them,
it's like saying yes to a child, it's much easier than going into details.

 

[DerelictJunction]

. If you don't like the west why don't you move to the parts of the world where Christians have no say. There are plenty of places like that outside US, Australia, Britain, Europe etc ... continents in fact where Christians are persecuted ...

Taking this a bit personally, aren't we?

 

[DerelictJunction]

. please move to the Muslim world. It is better. No nasty Christians. than you tell me about fantasy world of yours ya

There are so many fleeing the troubled parts of the earth to go to the western world -

To lift everybody's spirits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWeVqw7CsIE

Please take the "s" off of the "https" in the url for the youtube video. As I recall, that will fix the horizontal stretching of the posts.

 

[xTx]

Please take the "s" off of the "https" in the url for the youtube video. As I recall, that will fix the horizontal stretching of the posts.

THanks for the tip

 

[xTx]

Taking this a bit personally, aren't we?

Yeah. People only know what it is really like if they walked in the person's shoes.

That is I guess why God allowed Jesus to suffer.

So that He can say, I suffered too.

Honestly - I have no idea why God allowed Jesus to suffer.

Only got theories.

 

[xTx]

That's what the Christian websites are putting out, myself I don't think there are as many Christians as they think there are, in the UK people when asked just say they are C of E [church of England] whether they are or not.

Religion means so little to atheists that if it makes religious people feel better most just go along with them,
it's like saying yes to a child, it's much easier than going into details.

I wouldn't believe statistics unless they show the methodology used to gather the data and the methodology of analysis.

 

[JayFern]

I wouldn't believe statistics unless they show the methodology used to gather the data and the methodology of analysis.

Even if they did you would still not trust them unless they confirmed what you wanted them to confirm.
If you are religious you will only ever see one side, yours.

 

[FredVB]

True believing Christians are those who came to repentance and were coming to God in faith, through Jesus Christ. Faith or lack of faith in the theory of evolution does not determine whether they are believers. Those who still believe that evolution will have to at least come to see it as theistic evolution, but with honesty to themselves they will see a conflict of that with the character of Yahweh God, the Creator who made all things. Everything was very good, coming from God's perfection, with no limit on goodness and compassion, whereas the theory depends on survival by competition with death of many creatures from the very beginning. God's goodness is contrary to that. Of course then God is not pleased with all our use of animals now.

 

[xTx]

Even if they did you would still not trust them unless they confirmed what you wanted them to confirm.
If you are religious you will only ever see one side, yours.

Best thing to do, have a beer.

 

[Queller]

True believing Christians are those who came to repentance and were coming to God in faith, through Jesus Christ. Faith or lack of faith in the theory of evolution does not determine whether they are believers. Those who still believe that evolution will have to at least come to see it as theistic evolution, but with honesty to themselves they will see a conflict of that with the character of Yahweh God, the Creator who made all things. Everything was very good, coming from God's perfection, with no limit on goodness and compassion, whereas the theory depends on survival by competition with death of many creatures from the very beginning. God's goodness is contrary to that.

Actually, God's creation had to include physical death from the beginning. Had it not, animal lifeforms would have overrun the earth in short order. The death referred to in Genesis 3 was spiritual death as evidenced by the fact that Adam did not physically die after eating the fruit.

Of course then God is not pleased with all our use of animals now.

Interesting comment. On what do you base that statement?

 

[Linuxgal]

Actually, God's creation had to include physical death from the beginning. Had it not, animal lifeforms would have overrun the earth in short order. The death referred to in Genesis 3 was spiritual death as evidenced by the fact that Adam did not physically die after eating the fruit.

Paul seemed to think it was physical death that came to be after the fall of man.

1 Cor. 15

[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

If you teach that the death brought by Adam was only spiritual, then the resurrection of the dead brought by Christ was also only spiritual.

 

[Queller]

Paul seemed to think it was physical death that came to be after the fall of man.

1 Cor. 15

[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

If you teach that the death brought by Adam was only spiritual, then the resurrection of the dead brought by Christ was also only spiritual.

By that interpretation of "by man came the resurrection of the dead" Jesus was a man just like Adam. He was not. He was the Son of God.

 

[Linuxgal]

By that interpretation of "by man came the resurrection of the dead" Jesus was a man just like Adam. He was not. He was the Son of God.

I assure you that as an atheist it makes no difference to me if you think Paul's Christology was in error. But when debating with Christians what else do we have but the plain text of the sacred scriptures?