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This is an excerpt from an article on the Daylight Atheism blog. It has been condensed, but you can read the full article here.
In summary: finding the truth about God is like a cosmic shell game; the true believer has no chance at all of finding what the truth is. You have to play the game, and if you lose, you face damnation. This is completely unfair.
That's a brief summary. The condensed article is below. I think it makes a good point. Your thoughts on it?


"Consider a shell game, such as one might see in a traveling carnival. There are three identical hollow shells on a tabletop. The barker places a pea under one shell, then slides all three around. The objective is to guess which shell the pea ends up under.

In theory, it seems like a fair game. Even if you lose track of the pea, you still have a one-in-three chance of winning by picking a shell at random. But what if the game was different – what if, instead of three shells, there were thousands, and the barker was quick-fingered enough to switch all of them around at once? The odds of winning would be almost zero. And what if the stakes were higher – what if there was a million-dollar bet? And, finally, what if participation in the game wasn’t voluntary? That would be incredibly unfair, wouldn’t it?

The facts are these. There are literally thousands of religions in the world. Some are very similar to each other, even to the point of relying on the same holy books and diverging on only a few minor issues of doctrine or interpretation. Others are wildly dissimilar, differing on every detail of significance. All of them, however, are mutually exclusive. No one is a member of more than one religion.

Religion is a cosmic shell game.

If theism – any brand of theism – is true, then the universe is just a shell game at a rigged carnival, with God the barker whirling the pea of the One True Religion around under one of thousands of identical shells. Out of all those multitudes of faiths, the reward for picking the right one is an eternity of bliss and happiness. Failure to pick the correct one instead merits an eternity of torture. And your participation in the game is not voluntary. This, to put it lightly, is monstrously unfair.

How can we be expected to make that determination? How is it fair to ask – to demand – that we sort through this morass of religious confusion and come to the correct choice? The diversity of beliefs, creeds and practices to choose from is truly enormous.

And why confine ourselves to current religions? It is entirely possible that the true religion was a now-extinct faith. Nor can we discount religions because they do not have many followers, because they are too new (or too old), or because they are practiced only by people considered primitive by modern standards. Especially, we cannot use subjective personal standards of what’s too outlandish to be true. All of these things are logically irrelevant to the question of the truth of a particular belief system, and we cannot assume anything at the outset – we must begin with the null hypothesis that all religions have an equal chance of being correct. Only then can we begin to eliminate possibilities by careful examination of the evidence.

But there is another problem we will encounter if we try to do this. No religion can be conclusively proven or disproven by the evidence alone – believers of most, if not all, traditions would agree that, no matter what they feel the facts show, in the end you still have to make a leap of faith. If it were otherwise, religion would not be religion, but science.

However, if this is the case, we can never eliminate any religion from consideration. Some may require greater leaps of faith than others, but they would all stand a chance of being right regardless of the evidence arrayed for or against them. Unfalsifiable God hypotheses could always be invoked to fill the gaps between supportive facts or explain away any contrary ones. Believers could hypothesize that their deity deliberately withheld evidence, or even created false evidence, as a test of their faith, or for unknowable reasons of its own. Many religions do not even attempt to marshal evidence in favor of their claims, but simply postulate the existence of another world beyond our own whose existence must be accepted on faith alone.

Thus, any effort to rationally determine which is the true religion is doomed before it begins. The rules of scientific analysis are stymied by a barrier of faith, and any honest seeker after truth is trapped, hopelessly mired in a swamp of religious confusion. And even if we could somehow overcome the barrier of faith – even if we really did have some way to objectively determine which religions were true and which were false – what guarantee would we have that there would be anything left at the end? We might methodically cut away the thicket of false religions only to find that we had eliminated all of them and had nothing left over. In that case, the true “religion” would be atheism. The religions on this planet cannot all be right – but they could all be wrong!

No religion is different from all the rest. No religion stands out from the crowd. How can we even begin to sort through this mess? It is impossible. Even if we confine ourselves to those religions which anchor themselves in the facts, it would take a lifetime of study to make a comprehensive survey of the evidence for the claims of even one – never mind thousands – and almost no one attempts even that much, even for their belief system of choice. It is simply too much, too hard, to ask human beings with their brief lifespans of threescore and ten years to make this choice. There are too many options, too much confusion, too many religions competing and no way to discriminate among them. Their similarities are so similar, and their differences so different, that there is no good reason to prefer any one over all the others. Anyone who picks one religion is doing little more than guessing."

So, what do you think? Do you agree with the article, that finding the one true religion is like picking out the pea in a shell game - a pea among a thousand cups, with unimaginable stakes riding on you getting the right answer, and no option but for you to take the bet? Or do you disagree with it?
 
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This is an excerpt from an article on the Daylight Atheism blog. It has been condensed, but you can read the full article here. I think it makes a good point. Your thoughts on it?

"Consider a shell game, such as one might see in a traveling carnival. There are three identical hollow shells on a tabletop. The barker places a pea under one shell, then slides all three around. The objective is to guess which shell the pea ends up under.

In theory, it seems like a fair game. Even if you lose track of the pea, you still have a one-in-three chance of winning by picking a shell at random. But what if the game was different – what if, instead of three shells, there were thousands, and the barker was quick-fingered enough to switch all of them around at once? The odds of winning would be almost zero. And what if the stakes were higher – what if there was a million-dollar bet? And, finally, what if participation in the game wasn’t voluntary? That would be incredibly unfair, wouldn’t it?

The facts are these. There are literally thousands of religions in the world. Some are very similar to each other, even to the point of relying on the same holy books and diverging on only a few minor issues of doctrine or interpretation. Others are wildly dissimilar, differing on every detail of significance. All of them, however, are mutually exclusive. No one is a member of more than one religion.

Religion is a cosmic shell game.

If theism – any brand of theism – is true, then the universe is just a shell game at a rigged carnival, with God the barker whirling the pea of the One True Religion around under one of thousands of identical shells. Out of all those multitudes of faiths, the reward for picking the right one is an eternity of bliss and happiness. Failure to pick the correct one instead merits an eternity of torture. And your participation in the game is not voluntary. This, to put it lightly, is monstrously unfair.

How can we be expected to make that determination? How is it fair to ask – to demand – that we sort through this morass of religious confusion and come to the correct choice? The diversity of beliefs, creeds and practices to choose from is truly enormous.

And why confine ourselves to current religions? It is entirely possible that the true religion was a now-extinct faith. Nor can we discount religions because they do not have many followers, because they are too new (or too old), or because they are practiced only by people considered primitive by modern standards. Especially, we cannot use subjective personal standards of what’s too outlandish to be true. All of these things are logically irrelevant to the question of the truth of a particular belief system, and we cannot assume anything at the outset – we must begin with the null hypothesis that all religions have an equal chance of being correct. Only then can we begin to eliminate possibilities by careful examination of the evidence.

But there is another problem we will encounter if we try to do this. No religion can be conclusively proven or disproven by the evidence alone – believers of most, if not all, traditions would agree that, no matter what they feel the facts show, in the end you still have to make a leap of faith. If it were otherwise, religion would not be religion, but science.

However, if this is the case, we can never eliminate any religion from consideration. Some may require greater leaps of faith than others, but they would all stand a chance of being right regardless of the evidence arrayed for or against them. Unfalsifiable God hypotheses could always be invoked to fill the gaps between supportive facts or explain away any contrary ones. Believers could hypothesize that their deity deliberately withheld evidence, or even created false evidence, as a test of their faith, or for unknowable reasons of its own. Many religions do not even attempt to marshal evidence in favor of their claims, but simply postulate the existence of another world beyond our own whose existence must be accepted on faith alone.

Thus, any effort to rationally determine which is the true religion is doomed before it begins. The rules of scientific analysis are stymied by a barrier of faith, and any honest seeker after truth is trapped, hopelessly mired in a swamp of religious confusion. And even if we could somehow overcome the barrier of faith – even if we really did have some way to objectively determine which religions were true and which were false – what guarantee would we have that there would be anything left at the end? We might methodically cut away the thicket of false religions only to find that we had eliminated all of them and had nothing left over. In that case, the true “religion” would be atheism. The religions on this planet cannot all be right – but they could all be wrong!

No religion is different from all the rest. No religion stands out from the crowd. How can we even begin to sort through this mess? It is impossible. Even if we confine ourselves to those religions which anchor themselves in the facts, it would take a lifetime of study to make a comprehensive survey of the evidence for the claims of even one – never mind thousands – and almost no one attempts even that much, even for their belief system of choice. It is simply too much, too hard, to ask human beings with their brief lifespans of threescore and ten years to make this choice. There are too many options, too much confusion, too many religions competing and no way to discriminate among them. Their similarities are so similar, and their differences so different, that there is no good reason to prefer any one over all the others. Anyone who picks one religion is doing little more than guessing."

So, what do you think? Do you agree with the article, that finding the one true religion is like picking out the pea in a shell game - a pea among a thousand cups, with unimaginable stakes riding on you getting the right answer, and no option but for you to take the bet? Or do you disagree with it?

God is the shells and people are the peas.
The application was just a little off but the imagery was a good one.
God is that big. He can handle all the stories, no problem.
 
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God judges people's hearts, so it is what you did with what you knew. God has given everyone a conscience and unless they harden their heart over time to not allow their conscience to guide them, they can seek and receive God's help including going to heaven.
 
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God judges people's hearts, so it is what you did with what you knew. God has given everyone a conscience and unless they harden their heart over time to not allow their conscience to guide them, they can seek and receive God's help including going to heaven.

This response does not look to help matters, as it pertains to the OP?

Millions/billions willfully search for truth, whatever that may be. We still have many conflicting asserted answers, which are said to all be 'given by God'. God is telling some people one thing, and telling others opposing things. Many of which directly conflict with one another.

Furthermore, depending on which religion you ascribe to, they all assert differing and mutually exclusive ways for salvation. Some of which, assert they are not negotiable.

If all that matters, is giving it the 'ol college try', where God never clearly offers His guidance, does God offer a pardon to these folks? Well, not according to some.

Did you actually find the 'pea', under one of the many whirling shells?
 
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This is an excerpt from an article on the Daylight Atheism blog. It has been condensed, but you can read the full article here.
In summary: finding the truth about God is like a cosmic shell game; the true believer has no chance at all of finding what the truth is. You have to play the game, and if you lose, you face damnation. This is completely unfair.
That's a brief summary. The condensed article is below. I think it makes a good point. Your thoughts on it?


"Consider a shell game, such as one might see in a traveling carnival. There are three identical hollow shells on a tabletop. The barker places a pea under one shell, then slides all three around. The objective is to guess which shell the pea ends up under.

In theory, it seems like a fair game. Even if you lose track of the pea, you still have a one-in-three chance of winning by picking a shell at random. But what if the game was different – what if, instead of three shells, there were thousands, and the barker was quick-fingered enough to switch all of them around at once? The odds of winning would be almost zero. And what if the stakes were higher – what if there was a million-dollar bet? And, finally, what if participation in the game wasn’t voluntary? That would be incredibly unfair, wouldn’t it?

The facts are these. There are literally thousands of religions in the world. Some are very similar to each other, even to the point of relying on the same holy books and diverging on only a few minor issues of doctrine or interpretation. Others are wildly dissimilar, differing on every detail of significance. All of them, however, are mutually exclusive. No one is a member of more than one religion.

Religion is a cosmic shell game.

If theism – any brand of theism – is true, then the universe is just a shell game at a rigged carnival, with God the barker whirling the pea of the One True Religion around under one of thousands of identical shells. Out of all those multitudes of faiths, the reward for picking the right one is an eternity of bliss and happiness. Failure to pick the correct one instead merits an eternity of torture. And your participation in the game is not voluntary. This, to put it lightly, is monstrously unfair.

How can we be expected to make that determination? How is it fair to ask – to demand – that we sort through this morass of religious confusion and come to the correct choice? The diversity of beliefs, creeds and practices to choose from is truly enormous.

And why confine ourselves to current religions? It is entirely possible that the true religion was a now-extinct faith. Nor can we discount religions because they do not have many followers, because they are too new (or too old), or because they are practiced only by people considered primitive by modern standards. Especially, we cannot use subjective personal standards of what’s too outlandish to be true. All of these things are logically irrelevant to the question of the truth of a particular belief system, and we cannot assume anything at the outset – we must begin with the null hypothesis that all religions have an equal chance of being correct. Only then can we begin to eliminate possibilities by careful examination of the evidence.

But there is another problem we will encounter if we try to do this. No religion can be conclusively proven or disproven by the evidence alone – believers of most, if not all, traditions would agree that, no matter what they feel the facts show, in the end you still have to make a leap of faith. If it were otherwise, religion would not be religion, but science.

However, if this is the case, we can never eliminate any religion from consideration. Some may require greater leaps of faith than others, but they would all stand a chance of being right regardless of the evidence arrayed for or against them. Unfalsifiable God hypotheses could always be invoked to fill the gaps between supportive facts or explain away any contrary ones. Believers could hypothesize that their deity deliberately withheld evidence, or even created false evidence, as a test of their faith, or for unknowable reasons of its own. Many religions do not even attempt to marshal evidence in favor of their claims, but simply postulate the existence of another world beyond our own whose existence must be accepted on faith alone.

Thus, any effort to rationally determine which is the true religion is doomed before it begins. The rules of scientific analysis are stymied by a barrier of faith, and any honest seeker after truth is trapped, hopelessly mired in a swamp of religious confusion. And even if we could somehow overcome the barrier of faith – even if we really did have some way to objectively determine which religions were true and which were false – what guarantee would we have that there would be anything left at the end? We might methodically cut away the thicket of false religions only to find that we had eliminated all of them and had nothing left over. In that case, the true “religion” would be atheism. The religions on this planet cannot all be right – but they could all be wrong!

No religion is different from all the rest. No religion stands out from the crowd. How can we even begin to sort through this mess? It is impossible. Even if we confine ourselves to those religions which anchor themselves in the facts, it would take a lifetime of study to make a comprehensive survey of the evidence for the claims of even one – never mind thousands – and almost no one attempts even that much, even for their belief system of choice. It is simply too much, too hard, to ask human beings with their brief lifespans of threescore and ten years to make this choice. There are too many options, too much confusion, too many religions competing and no way to discriminate among them. Their similarities are so similar, and their differences so different, that there is no good reason to prefer any one over all the others. Anyone who picks one religion is doing little more than guessing."

So, what do you think? Do you agree with the article, that finding the one true religion is like picking out the pea in a shell game - a pea among a thousand cups, with unimaginable stakes riding on you getting the right answer, and no option but for you to take the bet? Or do you disagree with it?

The article looks to address an interesting point. In that every human, whom lives, is forced or required to play the game.
 
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This is an excerpt from an article on the Daylight Atheism blog. It has been condensed, but you can read the full article here.
In summary: finding the truth about God is like a cosmic shell game; the true believer has no chance at all of finding what the truth is. You have to play the game, and if you lose, you face damnation. This is completely unfair.
That's a brief summary. The condensed article is below. I think it makes a good point. Your thoughts on it?


"Consider a shell game, such as one might see in a traveling carnival. There are three identical hollow shells on a tabletop. The barker places a pea under one shell, then slides all three around. The objective is to guess which shell the pea ends up under.

In theory, it seems like a fair game. Even if you lose track of the pea, you still have a one-in-three chance of winning by picking a shell at random. But what if the game was different – what if, instead of three shells, there were thousands, and the barker was quick-fingered enough to switch all of them around at once? The odds of winning would be almost zero. And what if the stakes were higher – what if there was a million-dollar bet? And, finally, what if participation in the game wasn’t voluntary? That would be incredibly unfair, wouldn’t it?

The facts are these. There are literally thousands of religions in the world. Some are very similar to each other, even to the point of relying on the same holy books and diverging on only a few minor issues of doctrine or interpretation. Others are wildly dissimilar, differing on every detail of significance. All of them, however, are mutually exclusive. No one is a member of more than one religion.

Religion is a cosmic shell game.

If theism – any brand of theism – is true, then the universe is just a shell game at a rigged carnival, with God the barker whirling the pea of the One True Religion around under one of thousands of identical shells. Out of all those multitudes of faiths, the reward for picking the right one is an eternity of bliss and happiness. Failure to pick the correct one instead merits an eternity of torture. And your participation in the game is not voluntary. This, to put it lightly, is monstrously unfair.

How can we be expected to make that determination? How is it fair to ask – to demand – that we sort through this morass of religious confusion and come to the correct choice? The diversity of beliefs, creeds and practices to choose from is truly enormous.

And why confine ourselves to current religions? It is entirely possible that the true religion was a now-extinct faith. Nor can we discount religions because they do not have many followers, because they are too new (or too old), or because they are practiced only by people considered primitive by modern standards. Especially, we cannot use subjective personal standards of what’s too outlandish to be true. All of these things are logically irrelevant to the question of the truth of a particular belief system, and we cannot assume anything at the outset – we must begin with the null hypothesis that all religions have an equal chance of being correct. Only then can we begin to eliminate possibilities by careful examination of the evidence.

But there is another problem we will encounter if we try to do this. No religion can be conclusively proven or disproven by the evidence alone – believers of most, if not all, traditions would agree that, no matter what they feel the facts show, in the end you still have to make a leap of faith. If it were otherwise, religion would not be religion, but science.

However, if this is the case, we can never eliminate any religion from consideration. Some may require greater leaps of faith than others, but they would all stand a chance of being right regardless of the evidence arrayed for or against them. Unfalsifiable God hypotheses could always be invoked to fill the gaps between supportive facts or explain away any contrary ones. Believers could hypothesize that their deity deliberately withheld evidence, or even created false evidence, as a test of their faith, or for unknowable reasons of its own. Many religions do not even attempt to marshal evidence in favor of their claims, but simply postulate the existence of another world beyond our own whose existence must be accepted on faith alone.

Thus, any effort to rationally determine which is the true religion is doomed before it begins. The rules of scientific analysis are stymied by a barrier of faith, and any honest seeker after truth is trapped, hopelessly mired in a swamp of religious confusion. And even if we could somehow overcome the barrier of faith – even if we really did have some way to objectively determine which religions were true and which were false – what guarantee would we have that there would be anything left at the end? We might methodically cut away the thicket of false religions only to find that we had eliminated all of them and had nothing left over. In that case, the true “religion” would be atheism. The religions on this planet cannot all be right – but they could all be wrong!

No religion is different from all the rest. No religion stands out from the crowd. How can we even begin to sort through this mess? It is impossible. Even if we confine ourselves to those religions which anchor themselves in the facts, it would take a lifetime of study to make a comprehensive survey of the evidence for the claims of even one – never mind thousands – and almost no one attempts even that much, even for their belief system of choice. It is simply too much, too hard, to ask human beings with their brief lifespans of threescore and ten years to make this choice. There are too many options, too much confusion, too many religions competing and no way to discriminate among them. Their similarities are so similar, and their differences so different, that there is no good reason to prefer any one over all the others. Anyone who picks one religion is doing little more than guessing."

So, what do you think? Do you agree with the article, that finding the one true religion is like picking out the pea in a shell game - a pea among a thousand cups, with unimaginable stakes riding on you getting the right answer, and no option but for you to take the bet? Or do you disagree with it?
Yeah, kind of like the response to Pascal’s Wager. It’s not God or nothing, it nothing or one in several thousands of mutually exclusive types of religion.

But I reckon in this site you’ll get tied up with responses asserting that religion A is correct and all the others are wrong because......
 
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The problem I see is that there are two contradictory assumptions in the analogy.

Initially religion is assumed to be a game with one chance and only one way to win and dire consequences to lose. This type of game only matches two religions - Christianity and Islam.

However the analogy then imagines thousands of shells with only one pea, and that contradicts the earlier assumption.

There should be only two shells in that game - Christianity and Islam. (Or possibly more shells if the various warring sects within Christianity and Islam are considered.)

To illustrate the problem with the shell-game analogy with an example, religions that believe in reincarnation allow for an infinite number of chances until everybody is a winner. There are lots of other types of religions too. Many religions claim to give their rewards in this life.

Hope that makes sense. I know it isn't written very clearly.
 
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It reminds me of the people who made a statue out of gold to worship. Most religions are based on the same morals, those that are not have no real point to them. If a baby was born in the woods and grew up never hearing the name Jesus would it be saved? I'd like to think so. But the Bible talks about Jesus not coming back until all 4 corners of the earth has heard his name.. I think that makes it fare enough.
 
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....All of them, however, are mutually exclusive. No one is a member of more than one religion.
Many religions reward being a good person - no matter what religion you are...
...Out of all those multitudes of faiths, the reward for picking the right one is an eternity of bliss and happiness. Failure to pick the correct one instead merits an eternity of torture.
Some religions don't even have an afterlife (Sadducees?). Others have reincarnation where you are reborn as a human or animal. I don't think many religions have eternal torment.

BTW the Bible itself seems to agree with the idea that not many will be saved:

Matthew 7:14-14

Enter God’s kingdom through the narrow gate. The gate is large and the road is wide that leads to ruin. Many people go that way. But the gate is small and the road is narrow that leads to life. Only a few people find it.​
 
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How does reincarnation work? Because reality is even without what the Bible says earth is a floating marble in space and every day the chances of it being taken out by an asteroid grows greater. How can a planet last forever? Especially this planet what mankind has done to it.. one more world War and there would be nothing left. I don't get the theory of reincarnation at all. Its impossible for this wold to be perpetual.
 
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How does reincarnation work? Because reality is even without what the Bible says earth is a floating marble in space and every day the chances of it being taken out by an asteroid grows greater. How can a planet last forever? Especially this planet what mankind has done to it.. one more world War and there would be nothing left. I don't get the theory of reincarnation at all. Its impossible for this wold to be perpetual.
It could be a good thing for the earth not to last forever.... some religions say that "life is suffering"....
 
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But if its gone its gone, if there is nothing to reincarnate into there is nothingness.. no existence. It makes no sense to me at all.
I think that in religions that talk about reincarnation the earth eventually ends...
 
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Maybe, but a billion years sounds as pointless as a day to me, if there is nothing else.
I thought the scarcity of it is what makes it meaningful.... BTW in the show "The Good Place" the people in Heaven weren't really enjoying their eternity so many chose to end their existence after a while.

Besides, what proof is there man has been here for a billion years and will be here tomorrow for that matter?
Well I don't believe in reincarnation anyway....
 
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God judges people's hearts, so it is what you did with what you knew. God has given everyone a conscience and unless they harden their heart over time to not allow their conscience to guide them, they can seek and receive God's help including going to heaven.
I'll need to ask for some clarification on that. Are you saying it's possible to go to heaven without being a Christian? That there's no requirement to be a Christian at all? That you can go to heaven without being a Christian but it's extremely difficult/unlikely?
Please could you tell me - what exactly are you saying, and why do you think that?
 
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